My 4001

[admin]

Sean: If you have access to the record you can make all of the changes yourself. If you don't just send me a PM with the serial and I will give you the permissions you need.

We are always here to help and should we fall short a kind reminder is all the incentive we need to make it right.

I apologize for any delay in carrying out your request.

[Colonel Sanders]

I think the main issue is that one of the pleasure you may have when adding a Rickenbacker to your stable is to enter it in the register. It is a kind of a quiet form of boasting I guess...

Sadly for me, on the 6 Rickenbackers I bought, I could have that pleasure on one occasion only!

What is the difference between buying an instrument from a member who already registered it to buying it from another guy in eBay who either had it added by himself or had his instrument collected by our "collecting team"? (Mostly Ron, BrianM and myself nowdays)

I dunno... The, admitedly, childish pleasure of being the first to punch in the info for your new beloved baby? Or the illusion that if you enter the data yourself, your new bass may be still a ''virgin'' free from the hand of others?

[cjj]

But if you buy it used, well, it's obviously been in the hands of others. And if you buy it from some on line retailer that publishes the serial numbers (such as Wildwood), well then, it's again public domain, and who's to say that someone didn't handle it in the store?

I guess I have to say, I'm definitely in favor of the data collection/research aspect of The Register. The fact that CI instruments are required to be from publicly available sources makes it OK in my book. If someone happens to be at a friend's house and copies down the serial numbers, etc., well, that's not allowed. I won't say it hasn't happened, but the rule is that the info has to be something that anyone could find from a public source. And all of that just helps to fill in the info on these wonderful instruments that we all love...

[gibsonlp]

One of my guitars that I had on ebay a while back was updated with the new pic's (old ones deleted ), but not by me? and it's not a collected item, how does that work.

I'm not sure if my post above has given offence to the job of the registrars, it wasn't meant to, but I have sent correction info to both Gil and Peter in the past for various separate logs and got info back saying the collector will not respond to emails, so we can't fix the problem, so the question above was merely my confusion at my ''uncollected item'' that can be edited by someone else?.

I was not offended by people's opinion, I was offended by the way it was presented, making me and the forum members who work hard scanning eBay ads and adding them to the register a pack of vampires, sucking the joy out of people's life.
This is a very hard work, I built a system that makes an eBay queue so we could work on a single queue and it means adding dozens of eBay items every day by hand. Most of the instruments are unidentified and are being collected only for the sake of the pricelist, once they are being collected manually (the system is not smart enough to identify their model, strings, year, etc...) they are automatically tracked and should the instrument sell - it will enter the pricelist data.
Everyone have their right to hold their own opinion and of course it can be totally different than mine (180 degrees different, 360 if you are a soccer player ).

As for your first questions:
The only way that a personal item would get any of it's detailed changed without the owners intervention is if Peter or myself have changed it (no one else has access to it). Since Peter is not handling ebay items I would "guess" that I did that, I probably saw that you have added your instrument to ebay and added the ebay number (for pricelist tracking only, will not appear next to your guitar should it sell unless it becomes "parentless") and changed the images (the ebay ones were probably better?).
In any case, although I don't remember doing that it must have been me and this is an error of judgement on my behalf so I apologize for that. I will make sure to ask the owner before changing any of the data unless it's a blunt error (0 instead of O in the serial, etc...) and of course - adding the instrument's ebay number as no one can see it other than the owner and the admins.

As for your second question, I am not sure what do you mean by sending logs, etc... do you mean that you saw an item with an error, sent us a message and we left it as is because we couldn't reach the owner? This is weird, normally items that we identify as erroneous or have missing info and can't have their owner tracked are being marked as "partial". It's an option only Peter and I can see (I think, anyway... Havn't looked at the code for a long time now) which marks the instrument as an instrument with missing/wrong details. This will make the instrument hidden from the general public and it will not be counted in for any purpose (statistical analysis, searches, etc...).
I don't recall ever getting such a report from you, perhaps you sent it to Peter?

[admin]

Thanks for your comments Gil. Ok, Gil isn't offend and neither am I. Should you need further assistance in this matter Sean, please send me a PM and I will be happy to assist you.

[Seans]

Hi Gil, I for one am all for the register and have used it many many times to collect information, all of which has given me a plus when buying or researching, my guitar being changed just made me think hmm not get my back up, they're better pic's anyway
I can't remember the facts on certain guitars, but this one came to mind as one double booking that couldn't be corrected, http://www.rickresource.com/register/in ... celebrity=

[jps]

When adding an instrument to the register it would be really nice if there was a grace period in which the person doing so could go back in and make corrections/additions before getting locked out. Inadvertently hitting the enter button on a keyboard can prevent to inclusion of important details and photos, for example. Then one has to go through the process of e-mailing Peter or Gil to be able to get the addition info installed in the file.

[Ivan3000]

When adding an instrument to the register it would be really nice if there was a grace period in which the person doing so could go back in and make corrections/additions before getting locked out. Inadvertently hitting the enter button on a keyboard can prevent to inclusion of important details and photos, for example. Then one has to go through the process of e-mailing Peter or Gil to be able to get the addition info installed in the file.

That sound nice! It is just like how one can edit a post after submitting it.

[gibsonlp]

Hi Gil, I for one am all for the register and have used it many many times to collect information, all of which has given me a plus when buying or researching, my guitar being changed just made me think hmm not get my back up, they're better pic's anyway
I can't remember the facts on certain guitars, but this one came to mind as one double booking that couldn't be corrected, http://www.rickresource.com/register/in ... celebrity=

Thanks.
The instrument was registered by it's owner with a wrong serial (It's clearly a 3 at the end of the serial and not a 9 like he wrote), I fixed that.

When adding an instrument to the register it would be really nice if there was a grace period in which the person doing so could go back in and make corrections/additions before getting locked out. Inadvertently hitting the enter button on a keyboard can prevent to inclusion of important details and photos, for example. Then one has to go through the process of e-mailing Peter or Gil to be able to get the addition info installed in the file.

That's weird, you should be able to re-edit the instrument as many times as you'd like, are you saying that as soon as you edit it - you can't edit it again before Peter or I approve it? I'll take a look at it.

[cjj]

Hi Gil, I for one am all for the register and have used it many many times to collect information, all of which has given me a plus when buying or researching, my guitar being changed just made me think hmm not get my back up, they're better pic's anyway
I can't remember the facts on certain guitars, but this one came to mind as one double booking that couldn't be corrected, http://www.rickresource.com/register/in ... celebrity=

Thanks.
The instrument was registered by it's owner with a wrong serial (It's clearly a 3 at the end of the serial and not a 9 like he wrote), I fixed that.

When adding an instrument to the register it would be really nice if there was a grace period in which the person doing so could go back in and make corrections/additions before getting locked out. Inadvertently hitting the enter button on a keyboard can prevent to inclusion of important details and photos, for example. Then one has to go through the process of e-mailing Peter or Gil to be able to get the addition info installed in the file.

That's weird, you should be able to re-edit the instrument as many times as you'd like, are you saying that as soon as you edit it - you can't edit it again before Peter or I approve it? I'll take a look at it.

Well, one thing that does happen is that, unless you remember the item id, you can't go back and search for a new entry by serial number until it's approved. This can be a bit of a pain when trying to enter a new instrument too, since if you search for it, you won't know it's already there until you actually enter all of the info and try to submit it...

[gibsonlp]

It won't appear under "my records"?
I am asking this because I have a totally different interface and it has been a while since I have tested the standard interface.

[cjj]

Hmm, it probably does, I seem to remember that now that you mention it. I'll have to check it next time I enter something.

Still, it would be nice if, when you did an "Advanced search" by entering the serial number, it would at least let you know it had been entered already, even if it wasn't approved yet. That's kind of a different issue, but...

[cjj]

OK, I just entered one, and it doesn't show up under my "Collected" or "My records" entries...

[gibsonlp]

Thanks, I will fix that.
Unapproved items should not show up in the search, the idea is to have each item approved before being publicly available in order to prevent spam and defacement.
Perhaps I should change that too so registered users will have their items automatically approved.

[cjj]

Or at least have the search return a message saying the serial number has already been entered and waiting for approval instead of just no records...