Another sweet Walnut beauty

thinneckrick · Post by **thinneckrick** » Sat Nov 12, 2005 7:18 am

I Have been frustrated about this topic for years . Its been steadily getting worse for years . and its not just Rickys Ken . They are nothing compared to fenders in price . but let me say this , Even if this forum was'nt here we would still be paying to much for our beloved basses . Forum Lurkers ! Horse Hockey ! It would be the same whether the forum was here or not .

ken_swearingen · Post by **ken_swearingen** » Sat Nov 12, 2005 7:22 am

No, it should be entitled, Ted never bids on anything on Ebay that we discuss widely ,so how the HELL would he know what the impact of discussion does to an auction.

If someone on this forum is seriously bidding on anything we ought to have enough respect to keep it quite until the auction is done.

thinneckrick · Post by **thinneckrick** » Sat Nov 12, 2005 7:32 am

From what i have seen here . If someone here on the forum finds out another member is bidding on the same bass they back off . I could happen to anybody . You cant say that because we talk about ricks here has some sort of overwhelming difference in the outcome . I can feel your pain man . Believe me . I have been out bid by people on e-bay and i honestly felt very slighted by it . But man i've never seen that kind of competition on this forum . EVERYONE here has been helpful to me . In rebuilding my beloved basses and just simple knowledge of the instrument . It pisses me off too Ken. But the forum has nothing to do with it .

ken_swearingen · Post by **ken_swearingen** » Sat Nov 12, 2005 7:48 am

Your missing the point I'm not talking about us bidding against one another,Its discussing an auction over and over while one of us is bidding on it.AND IT DOES HAVE A IMPACT,people who normally would not bid listen to the hype WE produce and bid at all costs,I WENT THROUGH IT WITH MY 88 V63.Someone put the tag of it being NOS and that it might have a real horsey and bidders came out of the woodwork going hog wild.

When it was re listed do to shill bidding it went to me for $1300.less this time it was not discused at all.or very little.

wints · Post by **wints** » Sat Nov 12, 2005 7:50 am

Between all the members here, this forum probably represents the most knowledge there is in regard to Rickenbacker instruments. Even the CEO will help you out if you ask nicely about a more difficult question. Many people use it as THE resource for information.

In regard to buying/selling it represents the most up to date prices of bought and sold guitars and basses by a majority of very informed people.
When instruments are changing hands between members regularly at certain prices, this will certainly be perceived as a reference point for those with less knowledge IMO...

There are still people out there thinking their 4005 and 4002 are worth far less than what we here perceive it to be, and of course, would pay for it. You may get get lucky and find one, just don't tell anyone about it....

In direct regard to the basses, the comment "Nothing compared to Fenders in price" may have been true years ago, but the vintage Rickenbacker bass market is more than an equal these days...
You seen this Jeff?
http://www.musicarama.com/rick4001.html

thinneckrick · Post by **thinneckrick** » Sat Nov 12, 2005 8:23 am

Yup . insane , But yup . I know what your saying Ken . Im not missing the point.

thinneckrick · Post by **thinneckrick** » Sat Nov 12, 2005 8:29 am

I love my ricks . i also love my vintage jazz basses . The 4001 that you sent the link too is a freak . on most occasions you can find one for less than 3,000.00 . The same year jazz bass ? Double that price . Vintage Rickys and rightly so are gaining value . Why they havent been as much as a fender i dont know. but they still arent getting the market price like fenders .

phlemmy · Post by **phlemmy** » Sat Nov 12, 2005 8:46 am

I personally don't have a problem with bidding against each other. what if we both wanted that walnut bass BADLY. should one of us back off? no way! Don't get me wrong, I understand the whole forum courtesy thing, but there's a point that if a certain member wants something badly enough that another member wants, he should be able to try for it without catching grief here about it.

thinneckrick · Post by **thinneckrick** » Sat Nov 12, 2005 8:49 am

If i wanted something bad enough i wouldnt back off either . I know what you mean

wints · Post by **wints** » Sat Nov 12, 2005 9:48 am

Any 60's Rickenbacker bass will be on a rough par with a 60's Jazz these days.

Chances are a clean original 61 Jazz would cost you 10-15K and, if, if, you could find a Ric from the same period it would cost you at least the same...

bobcat · Post by **bobcat** » Sat Nov 12, 2005 10:34 am

On average, though, Fenders, through the years, cost far more than Rickenbackers. A beat-up P-bass from the mid-70s will get you $5000. A beat-up 4001 from the mid-70s might have a starting price of $2500 *cough*GuitarCenter*cough*, but no one will ever pay that, unless they are desperate or know nothing about it. Your average "vintage" Fender is going to go for about double what your average "vintage" Ric would go for, even with the **** beaten out of the Fender.

bails · Post by **bails** » Sat Nov 12, 2005 1:38 pm

Forum members shouldn't have to "back off", when they find another member bidding, or waiting to bid, because members with common sense shouldn't tell the forum they intended to bid in the first place*. Similarly, members who are lucky enough to get 'leads' on good deals, certainly shouldn't give out the details until the deal is done. I didn't, and would never post on this kind of topic until an auction was already over, but I can see the potential for bidders to rubbish an auction, by posting misinformation on this forum, and then bidding themselves when no one else is game to. I'm pretty sure the forum as a whole don't want that, but could, or would any of us stoop that low, if it was going to save us a few hundred dollars?

*Note: Also, no one has rights (or "dibs") to a sale, regardless of who posts on this forum first, and everyone should feel free to outbid those who aren't willing to pay as much.

ken_swearingen · Post by **ken_swearingen** » Sat Nov 12, 2005 2:44 pm

There is nothing on ebay I want that bad that its worth offending another forum member.

I end up offending everone with my big mouth anyway...

jnbass · Post by **jnbass** » Sat Nov 12, 2005 2:46 pm

some guys are easily offended anyway!

rickfan60 · Post by **rickfan60** » Sat Nov 12, 2005 3:39 pm

"Ted never bids on anything on Ebay that we discuss widely ,so how the HELL would he know what the impact of discussion does to an auction."

Let's see Ken,

4004C
4003 Tuxedo
2030
4003S/5
4003S/8
Shadow

I bought ALL of these on Ebay in the last 2 years. Every one of these auctions was discussed on this forum. The only one that I over paid on was the Shadow and that is because I HAD to have it.