NAMM 2010

[ricaddic]

Joey my dear friend, im not bashing Ric, im just expressing my feeling as a customer, as a customer I have a right to express myself and being honest and if im not allowed to do that, then there is no need to continue posting and or even being a member, I can understand when things get out of hand and people go above and beyond to trash Ric that I can agree with you on, but if just simlpy just giveing an opinion about something that might be a dissapointment is grounds to lock a thread, well then there is something terribly wrong going on here, as a customer , I am just simply expressing myself, not bashing, but not afraid to let it known be when I feel a company or corperation might be slighting thier customers and people that buy thier products, so if this offends anybody, it is not my intent, however, although I do like Rics, and buy Rics instruments, I am not a yesman and or whorship at the alter of the Ric corperation, and just agree with everything they decide to do or not do, I am simply just a man that likes to play bass and purchase basses of all makes, so bashing no, thats simply not case here, not like is dosent go on here on this forum, see all the time concerning other makes of basses and guitars, and even amps (see my post about Ampeg in the bass forum) qwite a of basHing going on there, but that seems to be ok and that thread hasent been threatend with a lock out,but then again its another company thats being negitively talked and not Ric, so I see the drift here, its illegal to talk negitive here unless its not about Rickenbacker, well thats ok, anyway, wish everyone well, and a very safe and properous life, all you people have been great, have learned alot from you all , and have had a good laugh with alot of the humorus post many have posted here, all you people are my dear friends and treasure getting to know you all, but unfortunaly for me this will be my last post and am signing off for good (I hear hear the fanfare from a few all the way here in Philly) But I cant act like agree with everything Ric does, and am tired of not being able post my honest opinion about my dissapoint about Ric without it being considered bashing and being threatened with thread lock out, its just not my M O.. take good care , have a great year, and most of all, please, please, please, stay safe... "HAPPY RICKEN"

[beatbyrd]

ricaddic - my guess is that it was not your post that rang the warning bells.

My opinion; maybe wrong.

Tom

[winston]

Let's get back on topic and please remember the rules. Particularly rules 3 and 4.

3. Posts shall not be rude, offensive or nonsensical.

4. Posts shall not show apparent disrespect for others, including RIC and its employees

I think that rule 3 should be modified to just include rude or offensive. I've seen tons of posts that might be considered nonsensical, some of them pretty funny. Makes the forum more entertaining to read.

I'm guessing that the demographic here is what, 90-95% male? Good natured ballbusting is a revered tradition, especially among friends. The usual suspects do this all the time, and again, sometimes it gets pretty funny. The ladies even get in on the jabs occasionally. Technically, these are all violations of rule 4. Thankfully, the rules are not generally enforced on these posts.

All I've seen is the frustration of some diehard RIC fans that want to buy more guitars.... no real anger at RIC.

Tom

I agree Tom with much of what you have said. So far nothing has been said that cannot be said but it is so easy to attract those who have axes to grind with RIC and then the bashing starts in earnest. As far as the nonsensical part of rule 3 that has absolutely nothing to do with stopping people and forum friends from having a few jabs and laughs. We all enjoy those moments so long as they are not deemed to be offensive to others.

The nonsensical portion of the rule more particularly applies to posts that make absolutely no sense at all in any context of the thread including whatever thread drift may have occurred. Nonsensical comments are comments inserted that are designed to steer the thread towards a subject that is either off limits or controversial. We reserve the right to remove those comments and caution the poster.

Angelo,

You are taking issue where no issue was taken with you. I suggest you review this again in the morning in the cold light of day. You will see no doubt that you were not the subject or the reason for the caution that was placed on this thread.

[winston]

Brian, I just see a little venting after the big months ago buildup about wowing us all, then the RM releases to Japan, then the News post on the RIC site. That's all.

John that is all true on one level and it is also the reason for the cautionary posts. If we are not careful and we allow the next level of criticism to be ratcheted up to the point where we insult RIC or its employees for not releasing new products to a specific market when we want them to, then this thread would have to be locked. We certainly don't want to do that and that's why I reminded everyone of the rules.

I am still waiting patiently for my holy grail guitar to be reintroduced (see my avatar) as a new product and that may never happen in my lifetime, but the anticipation keeps me coming back never the less................

[beatbyrd]

Winston wrote:
"I agree Tom with much of what you have said. So far nothing has been said that cannot be said but it is so easy to attract those who have axes to grind with RIC and then the bashing starts in earnest."

Smart alec reply #1:
I think the problem is that some folks want NEWER, DIFFERENT axes to grind FROM RIC.

Smart alec reply #2:
Poor Earnest.

Seriously, as a relatively new poster here, isn't there a certain level of frustration or even anger that should be tolerated, just to allow RIC to easily keep a pulse on the sentiment of their loyal customer base? (Easy joke alert... 'customer BASS!'). I believe that the green rash problem discussion on this forum served to ultimately help RIC and their customers. As I recall, there were posts that were accused of crossing the line on some of those threads. Valid customer complaints serve to help RIC maintain their edge. When it gets to just mindless bashing, I agree; threaten the posters and then delete the offending posts.

Thanks. Tom

As far as the terrorists winning:
Many wars, millions of valiant lives lost to build our freedom - 9 idiots and 2 planes to start tearing it down.

[winston]

Tom,

Peter has covered this ground before, so why not read his thoughts on this subject. Oh and btw my name is Brian. Winston is my dog.

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[route66guitars]

John it has more to do with where this thread is potentially headed. Some of the posts above have managed to step on to a slippery slope and if we did not take it upon our selves to caution the membership my experience tells me that the slide will almost certainly occur. Being a long time member of the forum, I would appreciate your consideration, support and understanding on matters such as this.

Scott I don't understand your comment at all to be honest.

Censorship. I get that you don't understand that is a problem.

[winston]

I don't see how your comment relates to censorship at all.

However, with respect to your censorship comment. I remind you of your agreement to abide by the rules of this forum. The rules are simple and each and every person who posts here agrees to abide by them. There are no half measures in their application. We do not censor. We simply enforce the rules as they are written. If your aim is to have the rules changed to suit you then let me tell you in no uncertain terms that you are barking up the wrong tree.

[route66guitars]

I don't see how your comment relates to censorship at all.

However, with respect to your censorship comment. I remind you of your agreement to abide by the rules of this forum. The rules are simple and each and every person who posts here agrees to abide by them. There are no half measures in their application. We do not censor. We simply enforce the rules as they are written. If your aim is to have the rules changed to suit you then let me tell you in no uncertain terms that you are barking up the wrong tree.

I'm not interested in changing the rules.

Several of my posts were edited for content, instead of simply removed. I have no idea how you do not consider that censorship.

I am formally requesting that you delete my account, and all messages I have posted, dating back to my original sign up date in 2004. I am revoking your right to use,display, or archive my images, research, historical data, or other information I have contributed to this forum.

[godber]

Is it too late to add that I like the colour of the carpet?

[Rickygirl]

I suppose I am wasting energy typing this, but the situation seems crystal clear to me and I am not a rocket scientist but.....

...RIC is clearing the backlog and any new colours or models would just add to the waiting time.

...people are STILL moaning about the waiting time, but you also want to ADD to it, so which is it?

So therefore, which part of "clearing the backlog" did you not understand???


Brian and Peter and Joey, please continue to keep monitoring this site in the way you do. There is too much complaining, moaning and "its not fair" in this world and I do wish someone would change the record. Why can't some of you people see that RIC is not able to offer anything new until they have caught up. As I have read on this forum and heard from friends, they have already done a great deal to close the gap and are exceptionally successful, unlike other guitar companies. We should be celebrating.

[Rickygirl]

Is it too late to add that I like the colour of the carpet?

[fireglo67]

Is it too late to add that I like the colour of the carpet?

Talking about carpets on a guitar forum? Now that is nonsense.

[bottom4]

OK, time to move on...

Joey, please post some pics for those of us that are interested and can't be there! Thanks!

[fireglo67]

I agree.

I think the whole episode should be swept under a rug.