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Purpleburst
Posted: Fri Feb 28, 2003 1:51 pm
by mortivan
There's a cool headstock picture Pete posted here:
Purple 230 Value?
Gads, that's a yummy finish!
Mr. Hall? How 'bout it?! This is my "vote" for 2004's color!!
(Besides, a purple Ric has somewhat of a special meaning to me as some of you may know...)
Posted: Fri Feb 28, 2003 5:43 pm
by johnhall
This was a custom guitar made for a friend of mine. I've made him several guitars, even a 4005 bass one time. He's given several of these away to friends and clients of his over the years.
Since it was done as a personal favor, I'm not sure whether I'd feel comfortable offering this publicly. That's assuming there even would be a wide enough market to make it worthwhile.
I honestly don't remember doing a 230 in this finish, as is discussed in another thread, but one of these days I guess I should check his file to verify that.
Posted: Fri Feb 28, 2003 6:50 pm
by philipnz
here is the purpleburst and a bit of detail on it on mike parks site - scroll to the bottom, several photo's
http://www.the-music-connection.com/riccol.htm
Posted: Fri Feb 28, 2003 11:36 pm
by paul_yan
Whoa!
I want a 4003 in that purpleglo finish!
Even better with checkered bindings on headstock and body.
Posted: Sat Mar 01, 2003 9:13 pm
by ricnvolved
I'm still campaigning for that "Apple Corp. Green"
someone had some pix of awhile back.
Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2003 6:09 am
by mortivan
I'd be honored if the color that was done as a personal favor for me one day became "color of the year!"
Jeff: I remember that green. It was pretty cool..
Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2003 3:29 pm
by paul_yan
Jeffery, do you mean these?
Green Gems 1
Green Gems 2
Green Gems 3
Yeah, I'd also love to have an "Apple Corp. Green" 4003!
I really wish Mr. Hall could consider reviving this finish some time in the future. Year 2005, maybe?
Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2003 5:23 pm
by rkbsound
Those greens are awsome. Getting back to purple, I believe that "Prince" was a Rick fan. I would imagine he had a purple Rickenbacker at one time?
Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2003 5:44 pm
by admin
Not to my knowledge Rkbsound. One of his backup group had what appears to be a copy of a Rickenbacker but I have yet to see Prince with one.
Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2003 7:34 pm
by ricnvolved
Hey Paul, those are the ones. I don't know what the official Rickenbacker name is for that finish, but I've dubbed it "Apple Corp. Green". To paraphrase Keith Richards-- That's my moniker and I'm stickin' to it!
To me, that is by far the most attractive non-standard finish that I've ever seen on a Ric. And the ironic thing is that I rarely like any kind of a green color on a guitar or bass, Rickenbacker or otherwise.
Paul, I'm all for making 2005 the Year of Apple Corp. Green. That'll give me plenty of time to save up for a 4003 AND a 360. Although 2004 wouldn't be a bad choice; that would allow Rickenbacker and it's fans to celebrate The Beatles' 40th anniversary of conquering America.
Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2003 8:03 pm
by paul_yan
"Although 2004 wouldn't be a bad choice; that would allow Rickenbacker and it's fans to celebrate The Beatles' 40th anniversary of conquering America."
Right on, Jeffery.
That should no doubt be the most appropriate finish in tribute to the Beatles for their 40th anniversary conquering America and the whole world. Awesome 2004 color, isn't it? Put my name down for your campaign. My money is ready!
Here's a little info (courtesy of the Registration Page) about the "Factory Shaded Green" finish. A fun read:
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"Greensleeves"
1967 Model 330 (top) and 1968 Model 360 (bottom)
in Factory Shaded Green Finish
Photo courtesy of Jeff Benske
Jeff Benske's Recollections: Quest for Shaded Green
I've been collecting Rickenbackers for some time now and would have to say they are my favorite American made guitars.
About twelve years ago, I was studying music in college, and my music teacher posted a Rick for sale on the bulletin board outside the practice room. It was before class had ended, so I had to wait to ask him about it. As soon as class let out I inquired about it, and he brought the case out and opened it. My eyes popped out of my head! This was the 1967 Model 330. He told me that I was the first person he thought of when he posted it. I'd never seen a green Rick ever! I asked him if I could pay him at lunch, and he said as long as I wanted it I could pay him whenever. I had the money buy lunch time. He was selling it for a friend who was a jazz guitarist that just wanted to get rid of some extra stuff. He had bought it new in 1971 from a small music store in Milwaukee. He was told that the guitar had never been sold because people thought it was ugly. I guess everyone wanted Fireglow guitars, Beatle/Byrd colors. Makes sense. Regardless, I knew I had found something extremely rare.
I immediately started doing research, and because of the absence of the 1967 shipping records, I could only assume that this guitar is what the Rickenbacker book refers to as "shaded green." That summer I took it to the Chicago Guitar Show, in Villa Park Illinois, and literally was attacked by several dealers and collectors. Dave Rogers of Dave's Guitars, Nate Westgor of Willie's American Guitars, Larry Hendrickson of Ax-in-Hand, and George Gruhn, all examined the guitar thoroughly and unanimously agreed its originality and rareness. They also bombarded me with offers I couldn't refuse, but did anyway. For years after that many of the dealers remembered me as "The Green Rick Guy." Kind of cool I guess.
It wasn't until a few years later that I saw the 360 owned by Albert Molinaro (Guitars R Us) in the Bacon / Day book. I had a chance to visit his store in 1995 and see the guitar first hand. He said it was a 'one of a kind' and NOT FOR SALE! I had to break the bad news to him and tell him that I owned a 1967 330 in the same color. It could have been my imagination, but he looked a little deflated. His is still a one of a kind because all three are different models and different years. Anyway, I went about life for the next five years thinking that there were only two "Green Glow" Rickenbackers in the world, that is, until Ebay. The 1968 360 showed up on Ebay in mid September 2000. It was simply listed as "1967 Rickenbacker 365-C." I couldn't figure out what the "C" meant until the picture downloaded. I couldn't believe it, ANOTHER ONE! I then remembered that my 330 has the same "C" after the model number in the control cavity. Keep in mind that these two guitars are about 6 to 7 months apart. I E-mailed the seller to asked him a few questions about it before I would do any bidding. It still had a few days to go, so I wasn't in a hurry. He down loaded about six more pictures for me, and it was a lot easier to see that the colors of the two guitars are identical. He really didn't know too much about it except that he got it in trade from the original owner who played it quite a bit. I believe he said that he was a professional musician for many years and that he was selling it to retire. His friend did a deal with him with the intention of selling it right away. So technically I'm the second owner of both guitars.
Anyway, I knew right away that this guitar was the sister to my 330. I had to have it. I did, out of curiosity, check out the Rickenbacker chat room and had to laugh at some of the amateur evaluations about this 360. I guess the consensus was that it was a poorly refinished bogus guitar. I think one guy referred to as "Maaco Green." Granted, the downloaded picture of the guitar was pretty bad, but I had the other example right in front of me. I wasn't about to argue with these experts. I didn't want to convince them that it was real. I guess that because none of them had seen one before, they concluded that it couldn't be real. I've never seen a T-Rex either, but I know they existed. Also keep in mind that Albert Molinaro's Rick, is the only reference point.
Nobody, except for a few dealers, knew of my 330. I guess all I had to do was win the auction. I did. So that's about it. I do have other tidbits of information, but this could go on for days. I do know of another Rickenbacker collector that gave me information about that color from a guy who worked for Rickenbacker in the sixties. He said that he knew of two "Green Glow" Rickenbackers that left the factory, but no more than five. Are there more? Who knows? We do know of three now.
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Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2003 8:11 pm
by paul_yan
Oh by the way, there's a 1971 360 in the same finish, with hi-gain pickups and front body binding on page 31 of the "Rickenbacker Book" by Tony Bacon and Paul Day.
Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2003 7:40 pm
by ricnvolved
A question for Mr. Hall concerning this Greenglo finish: Assuming you would be kind enough to choose this as the special finish for 2004 or 2005, would there be legal issues to consider in officially calling it "Apple Corp. Green"? Perhaps there could be a special licensing agreement to commemorate the 40th anniversary of The Beatles coming to America if you did happen to choose this finish for 2004.
In any event, I guess at the end of the day it's not as important what the finish is called (AppleGlo?; GrannySmithGlo?), just so long as it's available either next year or in 2005.
APPLE CORP. GREEN FOREVER!!!!! ~LOL~
Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2003 9:17 am
by johnhall
It's entirely a moot point.
By the way, most of the green instruments are not factory original. One gentlemen in Hollywood is responsible for most of these. There IS one easy way we can tell whether it's original, as a very important element was overlooked in the recreations . . . regretfully I need to keep that detail confidential should we need to authenticate one.
Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2003 2:21 pm
by rkbsound
Don't all Rickenbackers have the intials "NG" written on the inside of the guitar, denoting that it is "not green"? If it's original, it would only have a "G" for "green". The gentleman who re-painted them forgot to erase the "N" inside! Ok, it's been a long day...