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Lawsuit bass,,,,?
Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 8:10 am
by bob_atherton
I never get this type of marketing. They are saying it is a lawsuit bass. Maybe they are clairvoyant and they know that RIC will be taking legal action against them...?
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1970s-SHAFTESBURY-BASS-L-k-LAWSUIT-BASS_W0QQitemZ250081186723QQihZ015QQcategoryZ4713QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 8:24 am
by teeder
That coloring is horrible!
Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 8:31 am
by elysrand
Perhaps they are just practicing Full Disclosure?

If they don't put this in the listing up-front, then a Buyer has grounds to skip out of completing the sale on eBay. The seller may also think it might actually enhance the perceived auction value, go figure...
Fact is, no corporation will sue any individual over a single instrument sale. They can't afford it, and it is not worth it on a onesie.
A corporation can and will send a 30-second free email to eBay requesting it to be pulled down due to trademark of copyright infringement, and eBay will do so voluntarily. eBay chooses to make this policy, and this is the way they get them off eBay.
In the UK, it is even harder and more expensive to litigate from US to UK, but again eBay will take down the auction freely with a single email due to policy.
Now if a corporation perceives another corporation is knocking off quantity of their copyrighted or trademarked item, making significant commercial gain off the intellectual property of the other corporation, then it is way different. Regardless of the tens of thousand of dollars needed to litigate even the simplest civil suit, in order to protect that trademark they MUST file against them (if first a Cease and Desist Letter to the violator is not honored promptly). Otherwise the mark or intellectual property rights become diluted and later non-enforceable due to lack of due care and process-defense against violators. Look what happened to Fender and others...
It is always a money-thing.....
Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 10:00 am
by johnhall
The Korean Shine instrument was already the subject of a court order and removed from the NAMM floor; in fact we intend to take this back to the federal court and prosecute it to the fullest extent.
eBay does NOT take down auctions with a "30 second" e-mail; those days are long gone. It requires the filing of a legal affidavit which is actually delivered and enforced through eBay AG in Switzerland.
Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 10:13 am
by charlyg
Thanks John, it is always fun to see what people say, and then what your response is in the way of ACTUAL steps taken!
Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 6:48 pm
by bassduke49
At one of the first appearances of Korean model kit manufacturers at the major model trade show in Chicago in the mid-1980s, one of them showed kits that were 99% identical to American and Japanese kits, to the extent that they even copied the box art and slapped their label on them. The folks from the trade booths of the offended companies shut them down quickly. This likely happened when Japan got rolling with plastic model kits in the '50s, but once they got making their own original kits, they became the best in the world. Korea finally caught on and do great kits. Now it's China coming out with obvious copies, but some of their bigger companies are creating great original kits.
Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 7:49 pm
by elysrand
Glad to see that RIC is verifying what my understanding of the process is

The use of a filing agent to whom email documents are sent, as in the agent firm in Switzerland, sounds quite efficient and a money-saving accommodation to this modern electronic age
Every corp should pay as close an attention to defending its mark as RIC does! And with its new price point, RIC is comfortably able to do that. Hats off to JH for preserving the mark we all know and love so much as consumers and users of these great instruments!!!
Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 11:34 pm
by bob_atherton
"And with its new price point"
I don't get it, what is at a new price point?
Posted: Sat Feb 10, 2007 12:22 am
by sowhat
This listing (250081186723) has been removed or is no longer available.
Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 2:11 pm
by elysrand
Bob, have YOU seen the new 2007 Price List yet?

It is indeed a boost in Inland Revenue.