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I have a question about a part of this song. In the beginning of the song when the 2nd verse starts there is a very modulated line that plays the basic melody of the song. I always thought it was Squire playing with a flange effect. I have recently been told that it was Howe playing the part with a heavy vibrato. Can anyone clear it up for me?

Luke

On the studio version it sounds like a guitar with heavy and fairly fast flange. Live, Chris Squire played this line though. On the Union tour, even with the option of having Trevor Rabin play that line as a second guitar part, it was still Chris that played it.

So Squire plays nothing until the sweeping keyboard and 12 string interlude? Or is that him thumping out the low D along with the bass drum?
I ask because I was looking at the tabbed out version on powertabs and the bass parts seemed a little off to me.

No, that's him playing the D along with the kickdrum as well. The studio version has a LOT of overdubs. I believe Jon is right in saying that the studio version is Steve Howe using a flanger, whereas live, Chris played that little bit.

But yeah, lots of tabs leave out the low D in the beginning completely, and it's DEFINITELY there. In fact, that's probably the most recognizable part of the song to me, other than the 12-string strumming chords during the beginning. Da-da-da-da . . . da-da . . .

There is so much stuff they did in the studio that gets changed live since they don't have the luxury of the extra tracks.. When you see them live Alan has some weird electric drum that he plays along with the kick so that CS doesn't have to tune down. I think the thing that gets me on that song is the Wakeman solo in the beginning. My fav part of the song.

I always thought that was a keyboard part, heavy organ or something like that. Going back and listening closely to a song I've known for 34 years, now I'm not sure! That's one of the things that keeps me listening to these guys almost daily for so many years. I still keep hearing new things. And their last two records, Ladder and Magnification, IMO, are incredible... hope there is still more to come!

That's the great thing about those sort of bands - you can hear something new almost every time you listen. For a short while, Eddie Offord really got something special on tape. There's an amazing amount of detail in some of those Yes recordings.

I am a bit of a Yes fan. Been so since seeing the Relayer show in 1975 at the Hollywood Bowl.

A "Yes men" group consisting of Alan White, Tony Kaye, Billy Sherwood and Jimmy Haun are currently working together under the band name of CIRCA:.

Check them out at myspace:

http://www.myspace.com/circahq

Billy plays some tasty bass in the teaser tracks!

"And you and I" is a great tune for Squire's tone.

I listen to it, and just shake my head.

What year was that recorded anyway? What tears me up is that after all these years,,,,as far as bass guitar technology has come,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,he had that "SOUND" back then!

No Pods, no Sansamps,, no fancy rigs.

I really believe its the "man" and his feel. He could pick up any of our basses and sound like Chris Squire, simply because he is "Chris Squire".

Geddy had it too. But he chose to let it go. He still sounds good,,but not as good in my opinion. But thats another story.................Give him a new 4003???

No. Give him a 4001 - take it or leave it.

And You and I was recorded 1972. Yeah, Chris still had that sound back then because he didn't resort to a lot of technology to obtain it. I don't rely on sophisticated technology to get the trademark Rick tone: a 4001 and a Rick amp is all I need. Effects? Equalization? Recondite equipment? A 4003? (Uh-oh! Sorry about that...). Nah!

From the opening high "D" notes of Beyond and Before in 1969, Chris made it clear that he was breaking new ground. He has always been the anchor of Yes!

And in YES membership, the only common denominator.

Whew!

Thought I may have done a thread kill there!

Not at all.

I was just playing the guitar riff from "And You and I" just a few days ago, the open D chord that rises up and down, pretty obsessively the other night with both 6 and 12-string acoustic and a 4001 riding along, and life is good.