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Can someone explain Kaufman position?

Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 1:21 pm
by dr_bob
I have a 375 Capri that needs an arm for the Kaufmann vibrola. In searching for pictures of other Capris with Kaufmanns (I want to have an arm fabricated) I've noticed that some have an "extension" tail piece (I don't have a knowledge of the correct terminology) while others don't.

Here's a picture of a 335 I "borrowed" from one of our member's websites. (I hope that wasn't violating a norm.) This Capri does not have this extension.

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Now here's two pictures of Capris currently being offered on eBay. The first is a 335, the second is a 345 and both have this extension tail piece.

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Could someone explain to me the difference between the two (technically why would a person choose one over the other) and if both types are factory? Thanks.

Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 1:26 pm
by jingle_jangle
Both are factory...I believe it has to do with the length of the various arms and how conveniently they fall to hand.

Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2007 4:38 pm
by 2ricks
take a look at this

http://www.winfieldvintage.com/parts/kaufmann-arm.html

they have other parts too such as plates for the front of a lightshow, converter combs, accent handles and much more.

Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2007 4:48 pm
by jps
Can someone explain Kaufman position?


I can't find that position in the Kama Sutra! Image

Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2007 4:51 pm
by charlyg
I know the "cough man!" position.

Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2007 5:20 pm
by 2ricks
take a look at this

http://www.winfieldvintage.com/parts/kaufmann-arm.html

they have other parts too such as plates for the front of a lightshow, converter combs, accent handles and much more.

Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2007 8:34 pm
by jingle_jangle
Winfield Vintage is AKA Adam Swapp AKA Chip Little, former member of this Forum.

Converter combs are rare items, true, with limited demand. I'm not sure if they are copyrighted. Accent handles are available from Rickenbacker at $30.00 each OEM. The Light Show lenses are commonly available on the open market, but there is very little demand, as I've also been selling 'em and have seen little interest in them (not that I'm complaining!).

Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 1:36 pm
by rick_ovic
When I think of the "Kaufmann position" it's usually refers to that place where the bloody thing ends up, after I throw it in frustration! Image

Here's what my '59 335 MG Capri looked like before I removed it and added a standard trapeze tailpiece. At least the guitar stays in tune now Image

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Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 4:36 pm
by jwilli
I've always recommended removing the Kauffman and replacing it with a trapeze.

Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 5:11 pm
by lyle_from_minneapolis
To answer the original question: I am sitting.

Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 6:20 pm
by dr_bob
Thanks for answering my question, Mark.

Now that we know what position Kaufman is in Image, I'm trying to find a picture of a 365 or 375 capri with the Kaufmann arm on it AND that has the exact setup as this one below.

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I want to have an arm fabricated but can't find a picture with this setup that includes the arm. Can someone post or email me a picture?

Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 6:50 pm
by rick_ovic
Here ya go, Dr Bob Image

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Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 8:06 am
by dr_bob
Thanks Darren. That arm doesn't even look functional. Wouldn't the rear of the arm be hitting the face of the guitar and scratching or digging into it?

The other pictures you sent me off line look much more reasonable/functional. Any one else have a photo?

Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 11:01 am
by ben_brown
If I'm not mistaken...the movement of the arm is from left to right and not up and down.
Please correct me ifn' I'm wrong.

Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 11:32 am
by ozover50
I think you're right, Ben..... to my knowledge the movement is up and down the face of the guitar rather that toward and away from it.