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Prototype?

Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 1:26 pm
by gshadoan
First I would like to apoligize for the ****** pictures, but what do ya'all think of this one?
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Kelly Howard, owner of Apple music in Portland currently has this in his collection, and has already been in touch with RIC. No word from them yet. Thought I would run it by the experts :-)
Greg

Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 1:46 pm
by sloop_john_b
What do you think is prototypical about it? Doesn't appear to be different from the basses of the period. Looks like a '59, BTW. Experts?

Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 1:56 pm
by wints
Looks like an early one Greg, maybe a '58 or '59, and in very nice condition too, if it's not refinished.

The first basses had the jackplate on the guard.

What's the serial number?

Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 2:05 pm
by gshadoan
Kelly and John Hall are discussing it, and JH beleives it possible that it is. Personally I have no idea. Kelly asked me to ask.

Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 2:07 pm
by gshadoan
P 9141
I could not see any signs of a refinish.

Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 2:11 pm
by gshadoan
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Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 2:13 pm
by leftybass
'P' is probably a weak strike on a 'B', so probably a '59....If it hasn't been redone, it's in sweet shape.

Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 2:14 pm
by wints
That P would be a faded out 'B'...and is a '59 number, (good call John B!) with the 9, and number 141.

Actually the Smith book quotes B9144 as the first bass credited to 1960, but still using '59 serial numbers code.

Double good call there John.S! Beat me by a minute!

Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 2:18 pm
by rickcrazy
I can't make out the polepieces on the pickup, but the bobbin sure looks like a re-issue HS one to me. What gives?
Great-looking 4000, by the way.

Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 2:23 pm
by gshadoan
Here is a closup of the slidy thingy, and the whatca ma callit deally.
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Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 2:27 pm
by gshadoan
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Sorry about the glare, I looked at it in person, and definitly was a P. If it is a faded B, then it was something like I have never seen before, however, I will go down, and take a really close look it soon. Next week maybe.

Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 2:31 pm
by gshadoan
They look flat in the hi-res pics I have.Image

Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 2:36 pm
by gshadoan
Hey, Dale, next time your in town, run down there and take a look at it will ya. I told Kelly you might be coming down to inspect it. He's not there on Mondays, or Tuesday. Call him in advance. 503-226-0036

Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 10:37 pm
by 8mileshigh
That looks beautiful Greg! I would say it's December (or at least late) 1959. I have B9139 and B9143............

http://www.rickenbacker.me.uk/Site_4/Bass_Models.html

Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 3:49 am
by jps
Now Graham, there are not enough of these to go around so it is not fair that you have two of them! Image Next time you are in the US come to Cleveland, visit the R&RHOF&M, and deposit one of the two '59 4000s with me, please. Image Image Image

Thanks in advance.