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this is what I have heard/read too

While it is possible a 12 was used on HT&E, it is also possible the 12 used was a Guild Starfire XII. John had acquired it gratis from Guild in '66. Also, in the book 'Recording the Beatles' they list the equipment used in the Revolver sessions, or available for use, and the Guild is mentioned, but not the '65 Rick. But there is no concrete evidence to prove either were used, or weren't.

No offense to the authors of the astounding 'Recording the Beatles' but I'm not sure their instrument lists are always the most accurate. I don't have it here at work with me, but I believe, for 1964, the first guitars at the top of the equipment list are two Fender Stratocasters, when there's not much (or any) real evidence of their acquisition or use until 1965. Even if they were acquired in 1964, it would have been very late in the year. Stratocasters were certainly not their most widely used guitars of 1964 and probably ought not to have been near the top that year's gear list (hmmm maybe it's alphabetical...?), and anyway should probably at least have had the 'available but no evidence of use' qualification.

I have no evidence, of course, but I would think it's much more likely that George's '65 360/12 would have been in the studio during a session than the free Guild 12 string that John received. Remember there's that footage of John arriving at the studio circa Sgt. Pepper with his Casino in hand, sans case, held by the neck... It seems doubtful to me that John would have brought in a guitar that he wasn't planning on using.

Anyway, I have nothing but respect for the authors of RTB - what a massive undertaking!

hey Chris, have you ever noticed that the cord progression on this song and Like a Rolling Stone by Dylan are essentualy the same ! coinsidense or Dylan's influence ? go ahead and call me crazy but.......

They just go up the scale (doh re mi fa...) in chords (Cmaj Dmin Emin Fmaj...)

Half the love songs in 'the '50s and early '60s used a pattern of C Am F G or C Am D G (but in different keys, of course). So does "This Boy." Hey ... "My Sweet Lord" sounds like... never mind.

at least the outro sounds like a 12string with volume pedal (like in Yes it is) probably with a bit of adt.
Wolfgang

I have no evidence other than my ears, but I don't think that's a 12 string. I believe both guitars used in HT&E are the Strats. The "12 string" effect in the middle 8 parts I believe are either the Strat being doubled or run thru their ADT effect. I do agree that the outro was with a volume pedal, but again, I think it's a Strat with the doubling effect.

That's just my opinion, but I've been able to get the same sound with my Strat on the bridge pup run thru a Fender amp setting on a modeling amp (Vox AD30VT) and recorded and doubled using Cool Edit.

While we do have evidence that the second Rick 360/12 was used on "If I Needed Someone" and the unused take of "And Your Bird Can Sing" in the same time frame, I don't think there's any evidence that the Guild 12 string was ever used on a recording.

Now I want to record a mixed version of "Like a Rolling Stone" and "Here, There and Everywhere"...the possibilities are hilarious.

GO LYLE !!

I used to do a medley live which consisted of the first verse of "Like A Rolling Stone", followed by the chorus, then keep the chorus chords and rhythm going, go into "Wild Thing", "Hang On Sloopy", "Guantanamera", "Sweets For My Sweet", "La Bamba", "Twist And Shout", "Get Off Of My Cloud", and almost certainly more that I've forgotten now...

Something like this?

JimK

I bought the official bootleg CD of Macca's unplugged concert and he and his band play a very beautiful version of "Here there and everywhere"