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1964 330S?

Posted: Sun Sep 14, 2008 10:31 pm
by sys700
There was another thread buried in the appraisal forum where I posted this, but figured I'd post it here so people can actually find it....

I'm a newbie to this forum, but not a newbie to Rickenbackers. Over the years I've owned quite a few Rics:

1959 450 solid body with metal Ric logo - neck was like rubber - hated this guitar!
1985 360/12 Jetglo
1987 360/12WB white with black hardware
1987 1997 (I paid $900 for it in 1987 and had to wait nearly 8 months for it to be made) - I didn't like the sound of this guitar - sounded honky, and neck was fairly thick.
1964 1997 (which I bought from a lady in Las Vegas and sold for $900 to someone on this forum - Bobkat?) - had an Ireland music shop logo nailed to the back of the headstock - that guitar is a story in itself...but it wouldn't stay in tune. It's the one in the upper left on this page (http://www.rickbeat.com/photofeatures/b ... obkat2.htm). However, many of the parts are not original on this guitar.
1996 360/12WB Fireglo
1989 360/12V64 - Jetglo (still have it)

and now, most recently...

a 1964 330S with trapeze tailpiece

I will be buried with this guitar. It's the one mentioned at the beginning of this thread:viewtopic.php?f=17&t=383928&st=0&sk=t&sd=a, serial number DI199. I recently bought it on an eBay and it was described as a 1964 Rose Morris 1997, but it didn't have the standard vibrato tailpiece, in its place is a trapeze tailpiece. I actually hated the vibrato on the previous two 1997's I owned so this was exactly what I was looking for. The auction indicated that it appeared to be all original, but I hadn't heard of any 60's Rose Morris models with trapeze tailpieces (aside from the 1993). Once it arrived, I was very pleased with the condition, as you can see in the photos below, and from what I can tell, everything is original:

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Until I read this thread, I assumed it was a 1997. I figured the metal Rickenbacker plate that came on the original case had somehow fallen off. Now I know why - my guitar is not a 1997, but a 330S (in the other thread someone posted that a 335S had a vibrato unit). There was never an Ac'cent Vibrato unit on this guitar. The electronics and all hardware are original. As you can see from the photos, it likely spent most of it's life in the case. It's a great player, low action, wonderful sustain, and the pickups sound amazing. Unlike the previous 1964 1997 I owned, this one actually stays in tune very well. It's a keeper! I play it through a 1961 Vox AC-15 Twin - a match made in heaven. I'll post some pics of the two together in the next few days.

I'm really curious as to how many 330S's actually made it out of the factory. I've read that some were sent off to Canada, Australia, and Italy, but I've yet to find any information online. There are none in the registry and this is the first 60's era Rose Morris model I've seen with a trapeze tailpiece (aside from the elusive 1993 12-string).

Re: 1964 335s?

Posted: Sun Sep 14, 2008 10:40 pm
by beatlefreak
Welcome to the forum, Rod. That's a beautiful guitar you have there.

Re: 1964 330S?

Posted: Sun Sep 14, 2008 11:11 pm
by collin
Very nice Rod, is this the one that went on Ebay a few weeks ago? With the dark finish?

In any case, it looks very nice. Thanks for sharing.

Re: 1964 330S?

Posted: Sun Sep 14, 2008 11:25 pm
by sys700
Yes, it is, but it is no darker than the other 1964 1997 I owned previously or others I've seen online. The digital camera makes it look darker than it is.

Same darkness as this one, which is one serial number away from mine: http://www.rickbeat.com/gallery/jonmagu ... aguire.htm

Re: 1964 330S?

Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2008 12:26 pm
by jwilli
A gorgeous example.

Re: 1964 330S?

Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 6:25 am
by wints
jwilli wrote:A gorgeous example.
Oh yes!

Re: 1964 330S?

Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 4:07 pm
by jch
Beautiful guitar Rod 8)

Re: 1964 330S?

Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 4:24 pm
by collin
man, we are all the fool for picking that guitar apart in the previous thread (see Ebay sightings page...) a few weeks ago. It's obviously a beautiful guitar, bravo on taking the plunge!

Cheers,
-Collin

Re: 1964 330S?

Posted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 1:05 pm
by danm
Is this the guitar that was in Virginia? If so, you got a good one...
Good thing they didn't take good pictures of it like you posted here or it would have moved fast!

Makes me want to re-install a trapeze tailpiece on my reissue.

Re: 1964 330S?

Posted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 3:55 pm
by leftybass
Yeah, I love it too, especially the finish...very typical of the late '64 era of Fireglo.

Re: 1964 330S?

Posted: Thu Sep 18, 2008 3:50 am
by casinoman
Rod,

I'm glad everything turned out right for you. As far as your question about the S models is concerned: I own a 335S in fireglo dating from 1969 (see pic). This particular guitar was obviously originally sold through an Italian dealer (the back of the headstock carries a decal from an Italian music store still in business today). I think the Rose Morris connection ended long before 1969, and also the silver knobs would identify the guitar as an export model with the designation 335S (also, it came in a black case with no badge on it). It is in original (except for the vibrato handle) and excellent condition, however, in contrast to yours this one has definately been played...
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Re: 1964 330S?

Posted: Thu Sep 18, 2008 7:01 am
by leftybass
casinoman wrote:Rod,

I'm glad everything turned out right for you. As far as your question about the S models is concerned: I own a 335S in fireglo dating from 1969 (see pic). This particular guitar was obviously originally sold through an Italian dealer (the back of the headstock carries a decal from an Italian music store still in business today). I think the Rose Morris connection ended long before 1969, and also the silver knobs would identify the guitar as an export model with the designation 335S (also, it came in a black case with no badge on it). It is in original (except for the vibrato handle) and excellent condition, however, in contrast to yours this one has definately been played...
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For the sake of discussion, some of the later '60s Rose-Morris models had the chrome-top knobs---pretty much everything had switched over to this style knob by that time no matter where it was sold. As you may be aware there were some cool Rickenbackers made for the Italian market in the late '60s, 4005 basses and round-top 360/12s, both sporting f-holes. Your 335-S is no exception!!

The black case is also typical by 1969 for all Ricks; these started showing up in early 1968.

Re: 1964 330S?

Posted: Thu Sep 18, 2008 7:45 am
by wints
John,

That guitar appears to be a classic 67 FG pattern. By late 68 they had gone darker again with the color, so it's possible this example may have been lying around waiting for an order...

Re: 1964 330S?

Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 5:43 pm
by Top Gun
Hi Rod,

That is a beautiful RIC you've got there! Enjoy. If you ever decide to sell it, please let me know as I would be interested.

Thanks!!!