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Look! It's Darren Trott on drums!

Black Sabbath!

Now you're talking.

For me they are the kings and originators of Hard Rock/Metal. Let Zeppelin bow to them

Thanks Jeffrey. That really felt good. Ozzy sure has soul (and heart) for a headbanger.

Danotron wrote:Black Sabbath!

Now you're talking.

For me they are the kings and originators of Hard Rock/Metal. Let Zeppelin bow to them

I've always thought of Led Zepplin as a progressive rock/jazz band with a heavy undertone of country. Sabbath for me was always protometal. Kinda like comparing Vivaldi to Wagner.

BS had a bit of a jazz/jam band flavor at times, too. Geezer's playing was instrumental in my "style"; I thought it was normal for a bassist to play as much as the guitarist!

Big surprise to see Collins playing with them.

Oh yeah! Black Sabbath...

I've always thought of Led Zepplin as a progressive rock/jazz band with a heavy undertone of country. Sabbath for me was always protometal. Kinda like comparing Vivaldi to Wagner.

Zeppelin had a lot of blues influences. It's quite obvious in their first album with 3 songs almost primarily blues. (Babe, I'm gonna leave you, You Shook Me and I Can't Quit You Babe.)

If you listen to the rest of their first album, almost every other song is blues based.

With this said, every album after this one you can see the heavy blues influences that are there.

I would have never thought of them with country undertones. Ever.

John Paul Jones was probably my biggest influence so this is why I find it odd you'd think country.

Oh, and much love goes to Sabbath.

Tarrbot wrote:Zeppelin had a lot of blues influences. It's quite obvious in their first album with 3 songs almost primarily blues. (Babe, I'm gonna leave you, You Shook Me and I Can't Quit You Babe.)

If you listen to the rest of their first album, almost every other song is blues based.

With this said, every album after this one you can see the heavy blues influences that are there.

I would have never thought of them with country undertones. Ever.

+1000

Not country, but folk for sure.

Geezer influenced my playing too, for sure. Pretty sure i learned the Em pentatonic scale on bass just from aping his lines!

jps wrote:BS had a bit of a jazz/jam band flavor at times, too. Geezer's playing was instrumental in my "style"; I thought it was normal for a bassist to play as much as the guitarist!

Kind of a coincidence I just ordered Paranoid last night, War Pigs is my favorite tune by them. Jeffrey, did you like the first Jethro tull LP, called This Was? It was very jazzy and bluesy, with songs like My Sunday Feeling, Dharma for One which Anderson later completely ruined live by improving lyrics to it onstage when it was actually an instrumental to show off the great Clive Bunker. Mick Abrams (first guitarist and only on This Was) was great, the band was advertised as Jazz-rock on my local FM station WBCN and I thought they were the greatest thing I had ever heard. Ithen bought Stand Up which was pretty good but it was already changing with the new guitarist (Martin Barre I think) and by the third one had completely changed direction although it was still pretty good. They completely lost me by the time of Snot Running down his Nose stuff but had become very famous. Sorry to veer off but I did wonder if you had gotten into that first album (This was) when it was new?
I too like Geezer butler, I like a lot of the free playing late 60's early 70's players.

Tarrbot wrote:

I've always thought of Led Zepplin as a progressive rock/jazz band with a heavy undertone of country. Sabbath for me was always protometal. Kinda like comparing Vivaldi to Wagner.

Zeppelin had a lot of blues influences. It's quite obvious in their first album with 3 songs almost primarily blues. (Babe, I'm gonna leave you, You Shook Me and I Can't Quit You Babe.)

If you listen to the rest of their first album, almost every other song is blues based.

With this said, every album after this one you can see the heavy blues influences that are there.

I would have never thought of them with country undertones. Ever.

John Paul Jones was probably my biggest influence so this is why I find it odd you'd think country.

Oh, and much love goes to Sabbath.

I would think of it as more of an Olde English Folk influence kind of like Tull developed after a while. They had a lot of wierd acoustic English folkie stuff which was not blues based at all which kind of lost me.

sloop_john_b wrote:Not country, but folk for sure.

...which could be, in part, because before they were LZ, they were Donovan's rhythm section...that's enough to 'folk' you up, for sure...

Bob, As much as I like JT, I never did get into their music too much. I did see them during the Passion Play tour and in college I listened to Thick As A Brick and Aqualung a lot, but, surprisingly, I have none in my music collection! This must be rictified , so I am opening my CD shelves to wayward JT CDs.