Brian Jones' death to be reviewed by police

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From the BBC:

"The death of former Rolling Stones guitarist Brian Jones is to be reviewed following new evidence, it has been revealed.

Police in Sussex were handed new information connected to the musician's untimely death 40 years ago.

Mr Jones, was found dead at the bottom of a swimming pool at a house in Cotchford farm, Hartfield, East Sussex.

An inquest recorded a verdict of death by misadventure but speculation continued that he was murdered.

A spokesman for Sussex police said the force had been handed documents connected with Jones's death, prompting the review.

But he added it was too early to launch a fresh investigation.

He added: "These papers will be examined by Sussex Police, but it is too early to comment at this time as to what the outcome will be."

Jones, who was 27 when he died, was a founding member of the Rolling Stones."

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[winston]

Mitch,

I moved this topic to The Groove Yard where it belongs.

Quite a while ago I did a write up on Brian and that included the speculation that he was murdered. I am glad that they are re-examining the case. One way or another it will put this issue to bed in the final anaylsis.

[Bighouse]

I blame Scotty.

[winston]

For those of you who are actually interested in this case and not just satified with making comments that have absolutely no relevance, you will find some details on page 2 of this thread that may have lead up to the re-examination of the circumstances surrounding his death.

viewtopic.php?f=47&t=379440&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&hilit=jones

I will be following this case with extreme interest. I really liked The Rolling Stones when Brian was their leader and so I am interested in his demise and ultimately the facts surrounding his untimely death at the tender age of 27.

[kiramdear]

I for one am tuned in as well on the particulars of this case which has been the domain of hearsay and speculation since the tragic event occurred. If there's a way to verify what actually happened at this late date I will be amazed.
Although it's true that Brian, in part, gave birth to the Stones, I have always shared the belief (as did Mick and Keith at one point in time) that his personal problems held them back from realizing their full potential (the greatest rock 'n' roll band in the world) which they achieved only after his untimely demise. Still, like everyone else, I mourned him and wondered if he could have rallied himself what the story of the band might have been.

[Bighouse]

We live too much in the past.

I doubt there will ever be a definitive conclusion as to what really happened in this case. My comment was not made to just "making comments that have absolutely no relevance to the matter" as much as it was to say that, just as in so many past premature, tragic deaths where the facts and the evidence has long since been replaced with second or third party evidence and forged recollections, that there will never be any real definitive resolution to this case...Perhaps I should have been more obvious in my statement. I only need to mention those who are more famous than Brian Jones and who's utilimately tragic and premature deaths at a tender age have also gone fully undetermined and instead remain submerged and surrounded in conspiracy...J.F.K., Monroe, etc...

I apologize- I seemed to have trampled on the importance of an investigation of a tragic death of a very talented invididual who really did deserve the right to live out a full and productive life- that was not my intention. But, I doubt there will ever be a definitive conclusion to his death -save the very, very, very, very rare deathbed confession of his killer, were he not the killer himself.

[winston]

Robert if you are going to quote me at least quote exactly what I said and not to make too fine a point about another of your statements; Brian Jones was every bit as famous as the people that you mention.

Brian Jones was at one time, the leader of the second most famous rock band in the world and I say second only because the Beatles still remain #1 as far as most people are concerned.

Rock Band which is a modern computer game, is evidence of that phenomenon. They have chosen 09-09-09 as a release date for the Beatles disk and hardware and it is expected to sell out in short order.

Back to Brian Jones. The evidence that the courts will now hear was collected shortly after Brian's death by through private investigative techniques but it was never examined by the police. Trevor Hobley spent three years investigating what happened to Brian Jones.

Trevor Hobley says: "The circumstances surrounding the death of Brian Jones, the police investigation, the medical profession that carried out the autopsy and also the coroner's inquest, there are certain flaws about all those four aspects of this crime. Because a crime it is." Mr Hobley will ask for the inquest verdict to be overturned so the death can be re-examined.

There could very well be an interesting case developing here.

[Bighouse]

Robert if you are going to quote me at least quote exactly what I said and not to make too fine a point about another of your statements; Brian Jones was every bit as famous as the people that you mention.

I think if you ask most people who Brian Jones was that you'll get a "Brian who?" repsonse. If you ask that same group of people who Marilyn Monroe or JFK was, you'll probably get more of a response. I don't think, honestly, that Brian Jones was as famous as either of the two I mentioned...BUT, having said that I understand your response to my reply. I do hope justice triumphs and if he was murdered, the truth is found out. I would wish this for anyone, not just the famous.

[lennon211]

http://www.cnn.com/2009/SHOWBIZ/Music/0 ... index.html


I'm very interested to see what might come out of this. I doubt that it will be much of anything. I'd also be curious to hear what Bill Wyman and Charlie Watts have to say...not so much Mick or Keith, despite the fact that they seem to want to cover up as much of his existence and contribution to the band as possible.

[JakeK]

Bill and Charlie liked Brian, Mick and Keith not so much.

In fact, Keith's niece (my dad's friend is married to his niece) says Keith avoids as many questions about Brian as possible. Some questions hardly get a response.

[winston]

Hi Matthew, this topic was already covered. I have moved your thread and have now merged the two topics.

[8mileshigher]

That's a very interesting article in that link to the British newspaper the Mail ... there are hints of a failed police investigation, in that the Sussex police failed to interview the three witnesses on the premises that night. Then the mention of the alleged altercation in the swimming pool .... Also the untimely death of the taxi-driver, (girlfriend of Thorogood), a few weeks later, who allegedly knew something ....

This has all the trappings of an Agatha Christie British mystery story - except it is not fiction !

Where they reference the "minder" Thorogood, does that term mean he is a caretaker or gardener or worker of some sort ?

[nick_allen]

Some random thoughts -
The most notable thing about all this is that all the supposed "confessions", "admissions", etc, come from people who are now themselves dead (and thus unable to even confirm or deny whether they in fact said what it is claimed they said, let alone be questioned as to its accuracy).
Frank Thorogood was the builder/handyman. The "minder"/driver was Tom Keylock (who I believe worked for the Stones' organisation), and who only went down to the house after BJ's death was reported.
I would tend to expect Keith to be resistant to, and indeed sick to death of, answering questions about Brian's death, after all this time. Certainly by all accounts Keith ended up by not liking him very much - and having read a very large quantity of material on the subject over the years, I have to say I'm not surprised.
And finally I must just say that it is ludicrous to suggest that, at any time, on a worldwide or even national level, Brian Jones was as famous as either Marilyn or JFK (and note we don't even have to give the full names of either of the latter two!)

[8mileshigher]

The most notable thing about all this is that all the supposed "confessions", "admissions", etc, come from people who are now themselves dead (and thus unable to even confirm or deny whether they in fact said what it is claimed they said, let alone be questioned as to its accuracy).

Was this alleged "death by misadventure" a conspiracy ? If so, by whom and why ? Who benefitted financially ? Seems at least one of the subsequent deaths happened within a very short time lapse.... Will they be able to uncover the truth some 40 years later ?

To add further speculation, I wonder if the Constabulary who were involved in mishandling this case were at all involved with the infamous Sgt. Pilchard who was discredited for framing Beatles and Stones on drug possession charges.

I think its all pretty intriguing ---

[winston]

I must just say that it is ludicrous to suggest that, at any time, on a worldwide or even national level, Brian Jones was as famous as either Marilyn or JFK (and note we don't even have to give the full names of either of the latter two!)

Well Nick, we are in partial disagreement on this point and that's fine. I am not here to make sheep out of anyone. Say Marilyn to any teenager or younger focus group today and they will probably think of Marilyn Manson long before they think of Ms. Monroe. But say Movie star Marilyn Monroe. No problem that same group of people will almost assuredly know who she was. Ask them to name a movie that she was in and that may be a bit more of more difficult task.

Say President JFK to the same focus group and there should be no problem with recognition at all.

Brian's last name is a common name so you will always need a qualifier when mentioning his name. Say musician Brian Jones or Brian Jones of The Rolling Stones and I bet you wont find too many who do not know who he was. I bet most music lovers could even tell you what instrument he played. Music is prevalent in every society and we should not scoff at the notion that those who helped break new ground would not be remembered. Brian was a member one of the most famous bands in the world. Famous musicians are always on par with actors and politicians. I maintain that you will not find many people in Western civilisation who do not know who Brian Jones was.

You only have to look at the recent developments with MJ's funeral to know what I am talking about. He is being interred this very evening in a mausoleum where other famous actors, politicians and musicians are buried.

It becomes a moot point really because we all know on this forum who Brian was. I agree that he was not a perfect human being, but neither were/are his old bandmates. They owe a lot to Brian's original vison for The Rolling Stones and whether they are sick to death of speculation or whatever the long awaited investigation by some looks like it will proceed.

It is an interesting story that may end up being very newsworthy and compelling.