Thanks for sharing. The audio for the Hollywood Bowl concerts (both 1964 and 1965) exists in excellent stereo quality, as Capitol Records had plans to release a live Beatles album. The album never came into being, but the audio still exists. Someone did a fine job of syncing that audio to this well shot 16mm film. Notice tha black border around the edges - used to stabilize the jerky hand held camera.
Re: Twist & Shout-Hollywood Bowl-Great quality
Posted: Wed Dec 09, 2009 10:35 pm
by route66guitars
beatlefreak wrote:Thanks for sharing. The audio for the Hollywood Bowl concerts (both 1964 and 1965) exists in excellent stereo quality, as Capitol Records had plans to release a live Beatles album. The album never came into being, but the audio still exists. Someone did a fine job of syncing that audio to this well shot 16mm film. Notice tha black border around the edges - used to stabilize the jerky hand held camera.
The shows were actually recorded in 3 track!
Capitol did release The Beatles at the Hollywood Bowl live album in 1977, although it was made up of edits from two of the shows. There are bootlegs floating around containing the full audio of each show.
beatlefreak wrote:Thanks for sharing. The audio for the Hollywood Bowl concerts (both 1964 and 1965) exists in excellent stereo quality, as Capitol Records had plans to release a live Beatles album. The album never came into being, but the audio still exists. Someone did a fine job of syncing that audio to this well shot 16mm film. Notice tha black border around the edges - used to stabilize the jerky hand held camera.
The shows were actually recorded in 3 track!
Capitol did release The Beatles at the Hollywood Bowl live album in 1977, although it was made up of edits from two of the shows. There are bootlegs floating around containing the full audio of each show.
The bootlegs are actually very good. The George Martin produced Capitol album has a silkiness that the boots don't have though and I kind of like it that way.
Regarding the Wiki entry, I'd never heard the Spector had been brought in to work on the tapes and if in fact he ever had them in his possession, I'm just relieved Capitol got them back!
BTW, if you watch the Beatles at Shea video, you'll immediately notice that the opening song, Twist and Shout, is actually the Hollywood Bowl recording that made it to the Capitol LP.
dbailey62 wrote:BTW, if you watch the Beatles at Shea video, you'll immediately notice that the opening song, Twist and Shout, is actually the Hollywood Bowl recording that made it to the Capitol LP.
That's the version that was redubbed for Anthology.
This version has the original audio from the TV special -
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Notice how out of tune the guitars are around 2:01-2:07. This is actually a bit of a bugaboo with me. It's documented that the Beatles did some overdubs / re-recording of the Shea soundtrack sometime in January '66, however both "Twist and Shout" and "I Feel Fine" have noticeable clunkers that surely would've been fixed in any such sweetening session.
Re: Twist & Shout-Hollywood Bowl-Great quality
Posted: Sat Dec 12, 2009 10:01 pm
by servant
Act Naturally from Shea is even more comical / interesting. I don't know if Ringo's mic was not working or if his singing was too "off" if he couldn't hear the guitars
as well as he should. They synced up, as best they could, the Studio version. Apparently both songs ran at different speeds. Rather than minutely speeding up or
slowing down the studio version to match the video timing, there are some pretty jarring edits that I would not have noticed as a kid. Sure stands out now!
Re: Twist & Shout-Hollywood Bowl-Great quality
Posted: Sat Dec 12, 2009 10:16 pm
by route66guitars
Regarding the Shea film...
From Mark Lewishon’s Complete Beatles Chronicle. 5 January, 1966: "...amid some secrecy, the Beatles came to CTS Studios in central London this day, to "sweeten" the soundtrack, by whatever means necessary, of their in-production television film The Beatles At Shea Stadium.
The session began with Paul only, overdubbing new bass tracks onto 'Dizzy Miss Lizzy', 'Can't Buy Me Love', 'Baby's In Black' and 'I'm Down'. Onto this latter song John also overdubbed a new organ track.
More drastic repair work was then effected by the group as a whole, with entirely new recordings completed for two songs: 'I Feel Fine' (done at George Martin's specific request) and 'Help!' The Beatles strove to re-create a live-concert sound with these recordings rather than their more typical EMI studio feel, and they also had to match carefully their singing and playing with the on-screen images, hence the use of CTS, the premier audio-to-film dubbing studio in London. (CTS is an abbreviation for Cine Tele Sound.)
To fix 'Act Naturally' the Beatles did nothing: the film's post-production team merely replaced the Shea recording with the Beatles' disc version (recorded 17 June 1965), sync- ing it to the picture by means of audience cutaways and even, in places, cuts in the music. (Intentionally or otherwise, one moment — where Ringo's vocal is evident but his mouth is closed — was left in the film uncorrected.)
Documentation also suggests that John wished to record a new version of 'Ticket To Ride', and that it was done during this CTS session, but close study of the film indicates that the original Shea version was used (although perhaps a little instrumental overdubbing was effected).
Additionally, George Martin desired a new recording of ' Twist And Shout', but there wasn't time to do this. Instead, the post-production team used the unreleased 30 August 1965 Hollywood Bowl concert recording to bolster the sound, causing — in one place — John's live vocal to be double-tracked. In fact, the Bowl recording was used extensively during the film's post-production processes for recordings of the screaming audience, especially on the two all-new London recordings."
Re: Twist & Shout-Hollywood Bowl-Great quality
Posted: Sun Dec 13, 2009 11:00 pm
by mysteron09
route66guitars wrote:More drastic repair work was then effected by the group as a whole, with entirely new recordings completed for two songs: 'I Feel Fine' (done at George Martin's specific request)
Well, Scott - there's my point. "I Feel Fine" on the TV soundtrack sounds quite sloppy and as if it didn't have much done to it:
Listen to those wrong-sounding G7 chords being hit - doesn't sound like you'd hear on a better quality live performance such as the Blackpool Night Out show:
If that's a re-recorded version, why bother? The "raw" version you hear up on YouTube sounds better to my ears.
Re: Twist & Shout-Hollywood Bowl-Great quality
Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 1:14 am
by route66guitars
There is no ‘raw’ audio of that song in the TV special. The re-recording was done FOR the TV special.
The youtube video you posted IS the re-recorded version.
Re: Twist & Shout-Hollywood Bowl-Great quality
Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 9:58 pm
by brammy
Those Blackpool videos are classics...
Re: Twist & Shout-Hollywood Bowl-Great quality
Posted: Tue Dec 15, 2009 1:53 am
by dbailey62
mysteron09 wrote:
dbailey62 wrote:BTW, if you watch the Beatles at Shea video, you'll immediately notice that the opening song, Twist and Shout, is actually the Hollywood Bowl recording that made it to the Capitol LP.
That's the version that was redubbed for Anthology.
This version has the original audio from the TV special -
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Notice how out of tune the guitars are around 2:01-2:07. This is actually a bit of a bugaboo with me. It's documented that the Beatles did some overdubs / re-recording of the Shea soundtrack sometime in January '66, however both "Twist and Shout" and "I Feel Fine" have noticeable clunkers that surely would've been fixed in any such sweetening session.
Cool. I hadn't seen the actual tv show in a long, long time. BTW, listen to the double tracked Lennon vocal at 2:30ish. They did a little bit of work on this track. It's easy to see why Apple subbed in the Hollywood Bowl audio though. Just plain good old higher quality fidelity.
Ya, they did do a lot of overdubs according to Lewisohn. Here is a passage regarding Twist and Shout.
George Martin desired a new recording of Twist And Shout, but there wasn't time to do this. Instead, the post-production team used the unreleased 30 August 1965 Hollywood Bowl concert recording to bolster the sound, causing - in one place - John's live vocal to be double - tracked. In fact, the Bowl recording was used extensively during the film's post-production processes for recordings of the screaming audience, especially on the two all-new London recordings.
