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This Ryder 425 has to be worth $500.How come nobody bid on it?

Click on "0 bids" on the ebay link and you will see there were 4 bids, all cancelled by the seller.

I contacted the seller about this and he said he received an offer he couldn't refuse, cancelled all the bids and ended the auction.

libratune wrote:Click on "0 bids" on the ebay link and you will see there were 4 bids, all cancelled by the seller.

I contacted the seller about this and he said he received an offer he couldn't refuse, cancelled all the bids and ended the auction.

Ok,thanks Ron.Is that a rebadged Rickenbacker 425?

octagon wrote:Is that a rebadged Rickenbacker 425?

There are a number of threads about Ryder guitars on the Rickenbacker company forum that talk about the differences (or lack of differences) between Ryder guitars and Rickenbacker guitars.

In one discussion thread there John Hall says (and I hope I am not out of line quoting him here; if so, moderator, please edit or delete), "These guitars were produced under private label, in this case for a music school by that name. These are similar to Rickenbacker instruments but many have subtle difference, not the least of which is a lower level of finish to keep these affordable. They are NOT a Rickenbacker product as such."

Mr. Hall also describes some specific differences that the factory used in the finishing process for guitars that they manufactured under private label. Those differences notwithstanding, other knowledgeable owners have noted a high quality of finish on Ryder guitars.

In addition, just to make generalizations really difficult, Mr. Hall says elsewhere that the factory would occasionally put a "Electro" nameplate on a Rickenbacker if they were under a time crunch. However, I don't know if that is true of the private-label instruments such as Ryder.

The seller has an interesting "rant" on the page too in red ink.

I think the TRC on these Ryder guitars is somewhat of a detractor with it's shape and the script writing.
I guess I like the regular Ric TRC too much, to appreciate these private label alternatives.

All in all, the FG finish on that guitar does not look too bad for its age.

Danotron wrote:The seller has an interesting "rant" on the page too in red ink.

Must be the Meg Whitman effect...

clementc3 wrote:

octagon wrote:Is that a rebadged Rickenbacker 425?

There are a number of threads about Ryder guitars on the Rickenbacker company forum that talk about the differences (or lack of differences) between Ryder guitars and Rickenbacker guitars.

In one discussion thread there John Hall says (and I hope I am not out of line quoting him here; if so, moderator, please edit or delete), "These guitars were produced under private label, in this case for a music school by that name. These are similar to Rickenbacker instruments but many have subtle difference, not the least of which is a lower level of finish to keep these affordable. They are NOT a Rickenbacker product as such."

Mr. Hall also describes some specific differences that the factory used in the finishing process for guitars that they manufactured under private label. Those differences notwithstanding, other knowledgeable owners have noted a high quality of finish on Ryder guitars.

In addition, just to make generalizations really difficult, Mr. Hall says elsewhere that the factory would occasionally put a "Electro" nameplate on a Rickenbacker if they were under a time crunch. However, I don't know if that is true of the private-label instruments such as Ryder.

Are the Electros different from the Ryders?

The comparable Electro model would be the ES-17, which usually had a set-neck, though there are also neck-thru Electros. The Ryder in the ebay ad is a neck-thru:
The TRCs look to be about the same shape:

Pretty much.

Of course, there is the occasional exception:

libratune wrote:Of course, there is the occasional exception:

ES-17 64 425 Electro TRC.jpg

Maybe that is what Rickenbacker gives you as a replacement when you trade in a broken "Electro" TRC.

libratune wrote:Click on "0 bids" on the ebay link and you will see there were 4 bids, all cancelled by the seller.

I contacted the seller about this and he said he received an offer he couldn't refuse, cancelled all the bids and ended the auction.

I hate when that happens! I was tracking a 250 and was mightily confused it was listed under ended when I came home - turns out it was ended early.

Ha, ha. I made arrangement with him to ship to Canada if I won. I figured he had a great offer sent to him.

libratune wrote:Of course, there is the occasional exception:

ES-17 64 425 Electro TRC.jpg

Ryder TRCs were about 3/4" shorter than the Electro ones (the name is 2 letters shorter). The Electro ones made using the lap steel metal logo tags were on very early ESs and are rare, although not too pretty.