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4001C64 fretboard removal help
Posted: Sun Feb 13, 2011 6:41 pm
by krismiller
Are there any dvds, books, or websites that would help me in removing my 4001C64's fretboard? Thanks to anyone who can help.
PS/ I've added a link at the bottom explaining the reason why I need to remove it
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Re: 4001C64 fretboard removal help
Posted: Sun Feb 13, 2011 8:41 pm
by jingle_jangle
You'll need a beam heater and a thin putty knife.
Heat the fretboard/neck joint until the glue softens. Beginning at the headstock end, insert the thin putty knife and slide it carefully along the glue seam.
Sounds easy, but it takes some experience to understand the feel and how far to take it before it cools down again. Sometimes you can get an inch done sometimes more, sometimes less.
This is made more difficult, because nobody makes the beam heater anymore.

Re: 4001C64 fretboard removal help
Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2011 12:27 pm
by shakey_slim
I just took the fretboard off of a 4001 with a smashed neck.
I used a regular clothes iron to heat the neck. I started at the body, set the iron to high, and put it right on the frets. I worked an area of about 3-4 frets at a time. It seemed to take forever to heat the glue, but just when I was going to give up it started to come loose. I also used the steam function of the iron, but I don't really know if it helped at all.
I started with thin razor blades to start the split, then moved to a thin spatula once it started separating. Go slow! It took about an hour to get the fretboard off. Also, be sure to wedge the fretboard as you move along. Otherwise the surfaces will rebond.
Re: 4001C64 fretboard removal help
Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2011 2:16 pm
by jingle_jangle
Thanks for the tip, Dan!
For the record, steam is not necessary. It's the heat that does the trick.
Re: 4001C64 fretboard removal help
Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2011 3:54 pm
by shakey_slim
Here are some pics of my implements of destruction. Before and after

Re: 4001C64 fretboard removal help
Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2011 11:33 pm
by krismiller
jingle_jangle wrote:Thanks for the tip, Dan!
For the record, steam is not necessary. It's the heat that does the trick.
I've seen quotes from other luthiers saying just the opposite "Without steam heat doesn't do much. ect ect"
Who am I to believe?
Thanks for the replies guys....
Re: 4001C64 fretboard removal help
Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2011 11:54 pm
by jps
Steam is just hot moisture, so to speak. It is the heat that will soften the glue, not the moisture.
Re: 4001C64 fretboard removal help
Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 12:56 am
by johnallg
krismiller wrote:jingle_jangle wrote:Thanks for the tip, Dan!
For the record, steam is not necessary. It's the heat that does the trick.
I've seen quotes from other luthiers saying just the opposite "Without steam heat doesn't do much. ect ect"
Who am I to believe?
Thanks for the replies guys....
Kris, Paul is pretty good at what he does with Ricks.........
Read his threads in the Curmudge forum area on his work with Ricks.

Re: 4001C64 fretboard removal help
Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 6:44 pm
by krismiller
Thank you again guys... Maybe I should send it in to somebody who's removed a 4001C64 fingerboard. I don't want to have to buy a 3rd 4001 in less than 3 months.
Re: 4001C64 fretboard removal help
Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2011 7:09 am
by grazioso
when the beam acquisition started to be a problem many people built their own with several heat lamps inline dangling down from the same contraption - that way you can pretty much regulate the heat as well.. the iron is ok solution too - especially if you get like two of them - than you can move pretty quickly up the neck.

Re: 4001C64 fretboard removal help
Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2011 11:50 pm
by johnallg
grazioso wrote:when the beam acquisition started to be a problem many people built their own with several heat lamps inline dangling down from the same contraption - that way you can pretty much regulate the heat as well.. the iron is ok solution too - especially if you get like two of them - than you can move pretty quickly up the neck.

Garage sale irons.
Re: 4001C64 fretboard removal help
Posted: Fri Feb 18, 2011 2:20 pm
by BAD RONBO, KiLLeR DWaRfS
and with this iron heat, the inlays do not melt or get damaged ?
Re: 4001C64 fretboard removal help
Posted: Fri Feb 18, 2011 2:43 pm
by shakey_slim
I didn't melt the inlays or the fretboard finish. My technique was to put the iron on the frets, let it sit for a few minutes, remove it and test the glue seam.
My iron has an auto shutoff if it sits in one place for too long, so that probably saved me from ruining the inlays.
Re: 4001C64 fretboard removal help
Posted: Fri Feb 18, 2011 3:22 pm
by rickaddict
Where do you live, Kris?
Maybe someone on the forum here could recommend a good luthier.
Re: 4001C64 fretboard removal help
Posted: Sat Feb 19, 2011 4:13 pm
by krismiller
Fort Wayne, Indiana.... There are plenty of guitar techs out this way, but I only want a person who's touched a Rick before to do this.