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hardware questions

Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2011 7:47 pm
by bluewhale
On the 6-way guitar bridge assembly (00811), what is the purpose of the springs that fit around the intonation screws?

I ask because in order to intonate my low E, I want to lengthen the vibrating portion of the string, but the spring prevents me from moving the saddle to where it needs to be. Is there any functional drawback to removing one, however minor?

Also, on a bass keywind like the 4001C64 has (00576), what is the purpose of the main large screw? Is it meant to be loosened if one wants the tuner to turn more freely, or is it supposed to be tight?


Thanks,
bluewhale

Re: hardware questions

Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2011 8:32 pm
by jdawe
When I faced this same issue a while ago, several people here advised me to simply trim the springs:

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=400233

This worked just fine, and I think is better than removing the spring altogether. AFAIK the spring is intended to keep the saddle pushed forward so that the hex head on the bolt remains pressed up against the side of the bridge. I doubt the saddle would move much when it is supporting a string under tension, but without the spring the saddle would tend to slide back when you are restringing and wind up in the wrong position, screwing up your intonation. The spring may also help prevent your saddles from rattling against one another.

The older bridges had no spring but instead had a retaining nut that served the same function.

Re: hardware questions

Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2011 11:18 pm
by doctorwho
jdawe wrote:When I faced this same issue a while ago, several people here advised me to simply trim the springs:

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=400233

This worked just fine, and I think is better than removing the spring altogether. AFAIK the spring is intended to keep the saddle pushed forward so that the hex head on the bolt remains pressed up against the side of the bridge. I doubt the saddle would move much when it is supporting a string under tension, but without the spring the saddle would tend to slide back when you are restringing and wind up in the wrong position, screwing up your intonation. The spring may also help prevent your saddles from rattling against one another.

The older bridges had no spring but instead had a retaining nut that served the same function.
+1 :)

Re: hardware questions

Posted: Sat Dec 31, 2011 2:08 pm
by bluewhale
jdawe wrote:...AFAIK the spring is intended to keep the saddle pushed forward so that the hex head on the bolt remains pressed up against the side of the bridge. I doubt the saddle would move much when it is supporting a string under tension, but without the spring the saddle would tend to slide back when you are restringing and wind up in the wrong position, screwing up your intonation. The spring may also help prevent your saddles from rattling against one another...
I see, thanks jdawe! For now I'll try removing the spring.

Anyone here know about that big screw on the bass keywind?

Re: hardware questions

Posted: Sat Dec 31, 2011 2:37 pm
by jps
The big screw on the tuning key is there to hold the post in place; it is not useful for tension adjustment as it must be nice and tight so the post does not rattle.

Re: hardware questions

Posted: Sat Dec 31, 2011 9:44 pm
by bluewhale
jps wrote:The big screw on the tuning key is there to hold the post in place; it is not useful for tension adjustment as it must be nice and tight so the post does not rattle.
Thanks, jps!

Re: hardware questions

Posted: Sat Dec 31, 2011 11:57 pm
by jps
Oh, I forgot to say:

...and hum.

Ducks for cover.............

Re: hardware questions

Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2012 1:52 am
by doctorwho
jps wrote:The big screw on the tuning key is there to hold the post in place; it is not useful for tension adjustment as it must be nice and tight so the post does not rattle.
IIRC, the screw holds the gear on, too ...

Re: hardware questions

Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2012 2:04 am
by jps
doctorwho wrote:
jps wrote:The big screw on the tuning key is there to hold the post in place; it is not useful for tension adjustment as it must be nice and tight so the post does not rattle.
IIRC, the screw holds the gear on, too ...
Little detail! :lol:

I suppose I should mention the washer, too. :mrgreen:

Re: hardware questions

Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2012 2:23 am
by doctorwho
jps wrote:... I suppose I should mention the washer, too. :mrgreen:
Yes, and the dryer, too ... :shock: :roll: 8) :lol:

Re: hardware questions

Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2012 2:35 am
by cjj
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Next it'll be chicken roasters...

Re: hardware questions

Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2012 12:05 pm
by iiipopes
cjj wrote::lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Next it'll be chicken roasters...
Nah, just toasters.

Re: hardware questions

Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2012 12:23 pm
by jps
It could be sausage making machines...........

Not to get OT, we finally watched the Time Machine DVD, last night. Loved it! :D

Re: hardware questions

Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2012 1:14 am
by johnallg
jps wrote:Not to get OT,
A little late for that...... :)