Sound clips of a 360-12 with overdrive

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Sound clips of a 360-12 with overdrive

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Hi :)

I have been a guitar enthusiast for quite some time.I have just joined your forum and I really like the passion you share for Rickenbacker and guitars in general.

I do play in band that plays a few gigs a year at the max for charitable fundraisers and we really all do it for the fun of playing live. I do not currently own a Rickenbacker.Athough,I have for many years been fascinated with this brand.I have had and still own a few Gibsons and I am down to one Fender. I am currently debating the purchase of a 360-12 and I am looking at a 360/12c63 that a dealer has on order.

I was considering a 6 string but there is something about that 12 that is drawing me in.The Band plays mostly pop rock and a little country music.

Is there a significant tonal difference between the 360 and 360/12c63 if they both had the toaster pickups?

Is there some good sound clips with a 360-12 and a little overdrive?
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Re: Sound clips of a 360-12 with overdrive

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I don't claim that they're good ones, but I have a few short clips (products of fooling around while possessing an overactive imagination, I think). They all use my 370/12 in 360 mode (middle pickup turned off) with TI Jazz Flats strings, into the JangleBox (JB1) and run through my Traynor YBA200 bass amp head and into the board.

The first one has one track of the twelve with just a little bit of overdrive. The bass is my Pedulla Buzz fretless, High slides were done on the Telecaster, and the drums are just a tape loop.
Sample #2 has a lot (maybe too much) overdrive on a single twelve-string track, I think the bass is the Hofner and drums are another loop.
Sample #3 has light-to-moderate overdrive on the twelve, a bass track (don't remember which one) and as I remember the lead was my old Rickenbacker 250.

One things for sure. If you goose it, you can get a heck of a lot of sound out of a single track of twelve string.

http://webpages.charter.net/tbradshaw/M ... mples2.mp3
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Re: Sound clips of a 360-12 with overdrive

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Thanks for the information very much appreciated. I had exhausted you tube. :D

Do you use your rick 370 for mostly rhythm? How do you like the 370?
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I love my 370/12. Ever since I heard my first Byrds recording that sound has been my favorite sound in all of rock and roll. This one has had some mods though. To make it easier for me to play, I had work done on the nut, bridge and frets to give me more room for my big hands, which made quite a difference. It also started as a double-bound 360/12 and I added the middle pickup myself. I played with a bunch of wiring configurations and finally settled on one with the middle pickup wired all by itself to the Ric-O-Sound jack. Now I get standard 360/12sound out of the normal jack and if I want, I can run the middle pickup with its own cord out of the other jack to another amp or recorder channel and mix the two sounds. It's not critical to getting great sound, but can come in handy at times.

I guess you would mostly call the stuff I play on it "rhythm". I'm certainly not a lead guitarist. When I played professionally, I played bass 95% of the time and my brain tends to think in terms of bass phrasing, not lead guitar phrasing. So I'd probably call what I usually do on the twelve rhythm, or maybe "texture" would be a better term for it. I almost never strum the twelve. To me at least, it just doesn't seem to take advantage of what it can do. If I want to put strummed twelve-string into a song (Eagles-style, for example) I do it on my Martin. The Rickenbacker is saved for picking through the chord changes with a lot of pull-offs, leading notes and hammer-ons to present kind of a "wall of jangle", which works well for the type of folk-rocky stuff that I normally play.

This is a typical example. There are three guitar tracks and a bass track on this one. The first one you hear is the 370/12 in 360 mode (no middle pickup, Jangle-Boxed) and it's played bare-handed by thumb-tapping the low strings and tapping and plucking the high strings, sort of like bad banjo frailing. It runs throughout the song. The second guitar comes in on the third verse and is a Yamaha Silent Guitar (semi-acoustic six-string). It plays the twangy little western licks. The 370 comes in on another track on verse #4 in a more conventional manner, flat-picked. No changes were made to its tone, just a different playing style.

http://webpages.charter.net/tbradshaw/M ... wayman.mp3

If you're a glutton for punishment, there are four more here, three of which have Rickenbacker content. These are all demos I recorded by multi-tracking in my office when I was supposed to be working and playing all the parts myself (no adult supervision). The harmony voices were generated with TC Electronics, "Harmony G" or "Voice Live" stomp boxes. Percussion was done by tapping it out on the keys of my old synthesizer. I don't play keyboards, so it's pretty funny and extremely tedious. I put colored tape on the keys I need for the different sounds and end up doing about ten tracks. Sitting there for four minutes tapping the same key over and over without screwing up will drive you nuts after a while.

http://www.broadjam.com/artists/songs.p ... stID=61713
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Scott,

I'm responding to only one of your many questions. My 2010 360/12 was equipped with 7.4k Toasters and my 2012 360/12c63 came that way stock (although I believe the neck pickup is lower output than 7.4k, something like 5k). I found that the two guitars sounded totally different, although I sold the 2010 to finance the C63, so I never got to do an A/B comparison. I would say the C63 sounds significantly less bright (that is, with the bridge cap removed). With the regular 360, I always used both pickups together, with the blend knob somewhere near half-way. With the C63, I use just the bridge pickup. I don't know exactly what accounts for the difference in tone, possibly the X-bracing. Does anyone else have any thoughts on this?

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Re: Sound clips of a 360-12 with overdrive

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Thanks Teb for he clips.Great Work!!

Robert thanks for your response.

Do you miss playing your 2010? Was the bracing on the C63 for support or to assist with feedback? Just wondering.I do like both the 360 (Modern) and I think I could get along just fine with C63.Both are beautiful guitars. Is the C63 your main guitar? I have been looking at a Rick for a long time I just want soemthing different.I just find I have been finding my Strat uninspiring these days. Nice Guitar but alot of people have them.
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2Labs wrote:Thanks Teb for he clips.Great Work!!

Robert thanks for your response.

Do you miss playing your 2010? Was the bracing on the C63 for support or to assist with feedback? Just wondering.I do like both the 360 (Modern) and I think I could get along just fine with C63.Both are beautiful guitars. Is the C63 your main guitar? I have been looking at a Rick for a long time I just want soemthing different.I just find I have been finding my Strat uninspiring these days. Nice Guitar but alot of people have them.
In some ways I do miss the 2010: Ear-shattering treble (with 7.4k toasters installed), and I like the look of the body shape and cutaway better. But the C63 has a more comfortable fretboard radius, better string-spacing, and, as you would imagine, it really nails those George Harrison tones. I believe the x-bracing on the C63's was designed for tone and support, but I'm not an expert on such things; I'm sure others will chime in. Yes, the C63 is now my main guitar (Like you, I got tired of playing my Strat all the time!)
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