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wtb: 60's short pole toaster pup, to be used to replace the re-issue long-pole model in my 4001v63 (I understand that there was no difference between original toasters fitted to basses and those fitted to guitars).

This will be the last piece in my jigsaw, having already replaced the re-issue horsie with one sourced from a lap steel (courtesy of Mark Walker/Tony Biscuti) and fitted one of Dane Wilder's superb 60's spec wiring & component harnesses. As my V63 has a negative angle at the neck/body interface, I also need to have a maple block inserted by my luthier to strengthen the wood at this point, but it obviously makes sense to find and fit the toaster first, so as to minimise the depth of the route in the new block.

Ash

Ash, you could just replace the magnets with shorter ones....

http://www.magnetsource.com/Solutions_P ... lnico.html

John

From a size/routing point of view, yes I could, but my main aim was to get this instrument as close to a 60's sound as possible. Are you saying that simply replacing the magnets would achieve this? I don't know enough about the evolution of toasters to understand what it is that creates that warmer 60s sound with these pickups, or what makes the 60s version sound different from the re-issue one.

Thanks

Ash

Ash, the bass short pole pickups have alnico 5 magnet rods also, as do the current scatterwounds. Windings were anywhere from 5.25k to 7.4k so that varied. You could always unwind the coil some also.

Ash,

You'll find one! They pop up here once and a while. I remember a forum member selling one or two a month or so ago. It does not matter if it's from a bass or a guitar. Same pup!

Sepp

Having gone back through a lot of the old threads discussing toasters, short-poles, scatterwounds, etc, I'm a little more clued up on them now!

It seems to me that even if I can't find a 60's short pole toaster, the 7.4 k.ohm scatterwound toasters currently available as new from the Rick Boutique and other sources would still give me a noticeable improvement (for what I'm looking to hear) over the long pole higher impedance version currently installed in my 1999-built V63.

Am I right about this?

Ash

Additional questions:

What is the diameter of the toaster polepieces?

What was the material used in the 60's?

Hotzenplotz wrote:Additional questions:

What is the diameter of the toaster polepieces?

What was the material used in the 60's?

Toasters in general don't use polepieces in the way that a hi gain pickup (or humbucker) have polepieces - they have magnets directly in the bobbin with the coil winding around them.

collin wrote:

Hotzenplotz wrote:Additional questions:

What is the diameter of the toaster polepieces?

What was the material used in the 60's?

Toasters in general don't use polepieces in the way that a hi gain pickup (or humbucker) have polepieces - they have magnets directly in the bobbin with the coil winding around them.

OK, some translation mistake. I mean those magnets this thread is about.

Ashgray wrote:Having gone back through a lot of the old threads discussing toasters, short-poles, scatterwounds, etc, I'm a little more clued up on them now!

It seems to me that even if I can't find a 60's short pole toaster, the 7.4 k.ohm scatterwound toasters currently available as new from the Rick Boutique and other sources would still give me a noticeable improvement (for what I'm looking to hear) over the long pole higher impedance version currently installed in my 1999-built V63.

Am I right about this?

Ash

That would be higher DC resistance I think…

The short poles do have less strength, so the pickup will sound a little weaker.
However, this will balance better with a capped treble pup.

Thanks John - that's what I thought but wasn't sure about. The existing long-pole re-issue toaster is way too hot for a proper balance with the horsie so a reduced output is no bad thing.

Ash

Hotzenplotz wrote:Additional questions:

What is the diameter of the toaster polepieces?

What was the material used in the 60's?

1/4" diameter and Alnico 5

johnallg wrote:

Hotzenplotz wrote:Additional questions:

What is the diameter of the toaster polepieces?

What was the material used in the 60's?

1/4" diameter and Alnico 5

Nice to hear from You!


Short and on spot - perfect!

John, once again many thanks!!!


Now I start to think about the modification of my 330/6's toasters...


PS: I hope You're fine!

Hotzenplotz wrote:

johnallg wrote:

Hotzenplotz wrote:Additional questions:

What is the diameter of the toaster polepieces?

What was the material used in the 60's?

1/4" diameter and Alnico 5

Nice to hear from You!


Short and on spot - perfect!

John, once again many thanks!!!


Now I start to think about the modification of my 330/6's toasters...


PS: I hope You're fine!

I'm doing fine, thanks. I used to remember how long the short pole toaster magnets are, but I've forgotten. Maybe someone with one can measure and post the length.

johnallg wrote:

Hotzenplotz wrote:Additional questions:

What is the diameter of the toaster polepieces?

What was the material used in the 60's?

1/4" diameter and Alnico 5

John,

How hard is it to replace the magnets? Any special instructions?

The toaster in my '67 can't be lowered any more due to the magnets bottoming out. I may modify a newer scatter-wound with shorter magnets so I can drop it down a little.