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Converting 4003 electronics to 4001CS
Posted: Mon Jan 05, 2015 2:37 pm
by bassman2k
I am attempting to get a 4001CS sound out of my 4003. Could this be achieved by replacing the neck pickup with a hot toaster, and the bridge with a horseshoe? Were the horseshoe pickups of the era different than they are today? Would a custom wound (12k) high gain from Custom Amplification match the hot toaster sound?
Re: Converting 4003 electronics to 4001CS
Posted: Mon Jan 05, 2015 2:56 pm
by aceonbass
The current 8K Toaster pickup is closer to the original CS specs, so an overwound 12K Toaster won't be necessary. The current reissue Horseshoe pickup may be slightly hotter than the original CS part, but that shouldn't make much of a difference. The current 4003 wiring uses 330K pots for everything, which is all wrong for a CS, which would have had 500K tone and 250K volume pots. I build harnesses to correct this using original vintage spec and NOS 60's parts.
Re: Converting 4003 electronics to 4001CS
Posted: Mon Jan 05, 2015 3:31 pm
by iamthebassman
Do whatever Dane says. Always.
Re: Converting 4003 electronics to 4001CS
Posted: Mon Jan 05, 2015 3:41 pm
by jdogric12
Get a tracking number though.
Re: Converting 4003 electronics to 4001CS
Posted: Mon Jan 05, 2015 3:49 pm
by bassman2k
I don't intend to use the cover of the horseshoe, and I would just use the surround that is already in my 4003. Is the raw pickup the same or similar to a bridge hi gain?
Re: Converting 4003 electronics to 4001CS
Posted: Mon Jan 05, 2015 4:09 pm
by aceonbass
The raw reissue Horseshoe pickup is built more like a Music Man pickup with magnetized Alnico slugs. The sound is a bit harsher and edgier to my ears. John Hall claims that the non magnetic shoes do have an effect on the tone of the pickup, so if you remove the shoes, the tone may change. With the right picking technique, a current hi-gain can sound a lot like Squire's original tone. The hi-gain has poles that are magnetized by the magnet below the bobbin.
Re: Converting 4003 electronics to 4001CS
Posted: Mon Jan 05, 2015 9:34 pm
by loverickbass
Yeah, Dane's the man. All my babies have his harnesses.
Re: Converting 4003 electronics to 4001CS
Posted: Tue Jan 06, 2015 1:07 am
by aceonbass
jdogric12 wrote:Get a tracking number though.
I never ship without a tracking number, and have had only one order lost by my preferred carrier, USPS.
Re: Converting 4003 electronics to 4001CS
Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2015 1:35 pm
by Captain Bob
Yup.....Dane will fix you up. He is first rate, knowledgeable and reasonable.
I have one of two harnesses he constructed for me in my SnowGlo.
Re: Converting 4003 electronics to 4001CS
Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2015 7:29 pm
by johnallg
To my ears, there is little to no tonal difference between a current high gain treble pickup and the RIHS pickup, shoes or no shoes. Sadly.
Re: Converting 4003 electronics to 4001CS
Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2015 10:29 pm
by jps
johnallg wrote:To my ears, there is little to no tonal difference between a current high gain treble pickup and the RIHS pickup, shoes or no shoes. Sadly.
Yeah, but our ears aren't like they used to be.
What?