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Make my 4003 Meaner

Posted: Sun Feb 14, 2016 6:21 pm
by stuntmanmike
Hey guys, I have a circa 2000? era 4003 bass. I'm looking for the mean Rick sound of Long Distance Runaround. Current deal is a bit tame and too refined for me.
Any low cost suggestions? I'd rather not drop hundreds on a vintage horseshoe pickup (unless that's definitely the ticket?)

Thanks

Re: Make my 4003 Meaner

Posted: Sun Feb 14, 2016 8:35 pm
by rictified
Buy some 70's 4001 pickups, they're not usually too expensive on ebay or better yet contact Sergio and have him either rewind yours or make you some, they're great pickups.

Re: Make my 4003 Meaner

Posted: Sun Feb 14, 2016 9:04 pm
by aceonbass
The pots used when your bass was made speced out at around 180K, which choked off the high end clarity and definition in the tone. I build wiring harnesses for Rick guitars and basses blueprinted to 60's/70's specs using 500K tone and 250K volume pots in matched pairs. I can also incorporate the vintage tone option used in current 4003's. Using 70's 4001 pickups will help a little bit, but not much. If you're interested, PM me for more info.

Re: Make my 4003 Meaner

Posted: Sun Feb 14, 2016 9:12 pm
by Captain Bob
aceonbass wrote:The pots used when your bass was made speced out at around 180K, which choked off the high end clarity and definition in the tone. I build wiring harnesses for Rick guitars and basses blueprinted to 60's/70's specs using 500K tone and 250K volume pots in matched pairs. I can also incorporate the vintage tone option used in current 4003's. Using 70's 4001 pickups will help a little bit, but not much. If you're interested, PM me for more info.

This is true. An entire new harness loom. And, you'll find Dane's work to be first rate.

Re: Make my 4003 Meaner

Posted: Sun Feb 14, 2016 9:14 pm
by rictified
aceonbass wrote:The pots used when your bass was made speced out at around 180K, which choked off the high end clarity and definition in the tone. I build wiring harnesses for Rick guitars and basses blueprinted to 60's/70's specs using 500K tone and 250K volume pots in matched pairs. I can also incorporate the vintage tone option used in current 4003's. Using 70's 4001 pickups will help a little bit, but not much. If you're interested, PM me for more info.
When did they lower the the pots' resistance Dane? I get a great clear tone out of my 79.

Re: Make my 4003 Meaner

Posted: Sun Feb 14, 2016 10:27 pm
by DriftSpace
aceonbass wrote:The pots used when your bass was made speced out at around 180K, which choked off the high end clarity and definition in the tone. I build wiring harnesses for Rick guitars and basses blueprinted to 60's/70's specs using 500K tone and 250K volume pots in matched pairs. I can also incorporate the vintage tone option used in current 4003's. Using 70's 4001 pickups will help a little bit, but not much. If you're interested, PM me for more info.
Dane built me a new harness; I can attest that it not only sounds much better than the stock harness, but he also uses nice wire and his soldering is very clean.

Re: Make my 4003 Meaner

Posted: Mon Feb 15, 2016 2:19 am
by jps
DriftSpace wrote:...his soldering is very clean.

Re: Make my 4003 Meaner

Posted: Mon Feb 15, 2016 3:23 am
by aceonbass
rictified wrote:When did they lower the the pots' resistance Dane? I get a great clear tone out of my 79.
I think RIC started changing pot values some time in the late 90's. They've settled on 330K pots (which tend to be way off as measured) for the past several years. Current flat backed CTS pots tend to vary by 10-15%. The CTS pots I use are manufured to much closer tolerances, and are otherwise identical to the CTS pots RIC has been using for the las 45 years or so.

PS: I like the Hard Days Night reference Jeff....:)

Re: Make my 4003 Meaner

Posted: Mon Feb 15, 2016 1:21 pm
by Lefty4003S8
jps wrote:
DriftSpace wrote:...his soldering is very clean.


YIKES!!!! It's "The Mixer"!!!! :lol:

Re: Make my 4003 Meaner

Posted: Mon Feb 15, 2016 1:57 pm
by thx1955
Captain Bob wrote:
aceonbass wrote:The pots used when your bass was made speced out at around 180K, which choked off the high end clarity and definition in the tone. I build wiring harnesses for Rick guitars and basses blueprinted to 60's/70's specs using 500K tone and 250K volume pots in matched pairs. I can also incorporate the vintage tone option used in current 4003's. Using 70's 4001 pickups will help a little bit, but not much. If you're interested, PM me for more info.

This is true. An entire new harness loom. And, you'll find Dane's work to be first rate.
+1 on that, I have several including a vintage 60's reproduction one, the difference in the sound is clearly audible,

Re: Make my 4003 Meaner

Posted: Mon Feb 15, 2016 3:26 pm
by Kopfjaeger
aceonbass wrote:The pots used when your bass was made speced out at around 180K, which choked off the high end clarity and definition in the tone. I build wiring harnesses for Rick guitars and basses blueprinted to 60's/70's specs using 500K tone and 250K volume pots in matched pairs. I can also incorporate the vintage tone option used in current 4003's. Using 70's 4001 pickups will help a little bit, but not much. If you're interested, PM me for more info.
Word!! What Dane said!!

Sepp

Re: Make my 4003 Meaner

Posted: Mon Feb 15, 2016 6:50 pm
by Becky
aceonbass wrote:Using 70's 4001 pickups will help a little bit, but not much.
What about the treble pickup base? On mine (a high gain, I presume?) it was made of black nylon (possibly glass-reinforced nylon, but still just plastic), so I replaced it with a steel one to get more metal and magnetism and everything, in a non-horseshoe kind of way. That and bunging in ye olde capacitor on the treble side certainly changed the sound a bit from original, which was a bit too round for my liking. But it's been that way for so long now that I can't really imagine it any other way! It might sound a little like the current crop of 4003s, or perhaps it has its own sound, I've no idea.

Long Distance Runaround has a very woody sort of sound to it, I think. I often think Squire was playing above the bass pickup for that one to get more of the string moving under the pick than playing closer to the bridge.

Re: Make my 4003 Meaner

Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2016 10:39 am
by songdog
stuntmanmike wrote:... Any low cost suggestions?
Have you tried new/different strings? What kind of strings are you using now? How old are they? Fresh stainless steel roundwounds are essential. Rorosound RS66LD (if you can get a set that doesn't have a dead E string), I'm currently trying DR Lo Riders with pretty good results.

I have a vague recollection of reading somewhere (maybe even in this forum) that when Squire plugged into a bass amp the first thing he did was dime all the EQ knobs costs nothing to try that! :lol:

Re: Make my 4003 Meaner

Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2016 5:37 pm
by Badanovski
Squire said his horseshoe had a lot lower output than his toaster. The horseshoe might not be the ticket. Having said that, Mark Walker (he's got videos posted here) gets some incredibly mean tone with his vintage horseshoes. Though it is brighter than Squire's.

Re: Make my 4003 Meaner

Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2016 8:43 pm
by jps
I have a recording (unconscious noodling, actually :mrgreen: ) I did a few years ago using my former 4001V63 with a scatterwound toaster and a rebuilt magnetic horseshoe pickup (HS PU) with the .0047 µF cap inline. I switched between the pickups throughout the recording, starting with the toaster, then both pickups, then just the HS PU, and finally back to both IIRC. This was played with a pick, both in front of and behind the HS PU through a Universal Audio LA-610 Mk II into my Marantz PMD661 recorder; I played moderately light for most of this, um :lol: , performance. :wink:

I used to be able to upload this file but the forum no longer allows for a file larger than 2 MB. :?