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1960 4000 bass on the 'bay!!
Posted: Sat Oct 09, 2004 3:57 pm
by beatlefan
In case anybody missed it....
Hard to "verify" this one....
I got an answer to my e-mail:
HI I AM SORRY BUT THE JACKPLATE WAS CHANGED WHICH HAD THE SERIAL NUMBER ON IT. I HAVE TAKEN THIS BASS TO 2 DEALERS AND THEY BOTH SAID IT WAS A 1959 AND OR 1960. THANKS AND GOOD LUCK BIDDING.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=4713&item=3754001287&rd=1
Posted: Sat Oct 09, 2004 4:16 pm
by mgauction
Wow! Chris, good job. You just nabbed this under an hour of it being listed. Lots of issues. Can't tell if thats a horshoe but it should be. "THE POTS, KNOBS, AND JACKPLATE HAVE BEEN CHANGED ALSO THE TRUSSROD COVER IS MISSING. THE BODY,PICKUP, AND THE BRIDGE ARE ORIGINAL AND SO IS THE PICKGAURD."
Why all the changes? Still could be interesting.
Jeff - If you are serious about this bass let me know and I will stay off it.
Posted: Sat Oct 09, 2004 5:35 pm
by atomic_punk
Wouldnt the bridge have the "split" in it? If you look at the close-up, it doesnt show it.
Posted: Sat Oct 09, 2004 5:47 pm
by cheyenne
Ha! Just check out the tuning keys.
LOL!
Posted: Sat Oct 09, 2004 6:05 pm
by jwr2
Ya I saw that ... those tuners are a hack job ...
Posted: Sat Oct 09, 2004 6:08 pm
by jps
Is that even a real RIC bridge? The holes for the strings to pass through are squared off. The horseshoe looks real, though.
Posted: Sat Oct 09, 2004 6:09 pm
by jwr2
The more you look at it ... the more things are wrong ...
Posted: Sun Oct 10, 2004 2:08 am
by marc61
I bid on it what I think the pickup's worth. That might actually be a 1963. According to Gruhn's vintage guitar guide, 63 was the first year with the mute on the tailpiece and white pickguard.
I do have plans for that thing on the outside chance I win it.
Posted: Sun Oct 10, 2004 2:14 am
by leftybass
It's not a 1960, the body and neck are not cut like a 1960-era bass. I tend to agree with Marc, 1963 or '64. The bridge is very interesting.
Posted: Sun Oct 10, 2004 4:41 am
by marc61
Yeah, I'm looking at the saddles and they seem to have two grooves each. Maybe someone tried to make it an 8 string and converted it back?That might explain the rat job on the tuners and possible the refin.
Posted: Sun Oct 10, 2004 5:14 am
by ken_j
I guess I should have looked here first. I saw this in the forsale forum and this is what I posted there. I guess all of you picked up on my questions/thoughts:
The Smith book says 60' was the first year for fireglo, this one's original color. And the necks changed sometime that year from walnut or mahogany. It also states that the new bridge with the under string mute began in 63'. This looks to be later than it states. I have no data on the pickgaurd change.
Posted: Sun Oct 10, 2004 5:19 am
by leftybass
The bridge has the appearance of plated aluminum, but where is the cut/slot over the mute?? All of the '63s I've seen have had a uniform design to the bridge assembly. As cobbled up as this bass is, it could have more than a few non-original parts on it...
Posted: Sun Oct 10, 2004 5:26 am
by rickcrazy
'The bridge is very interesting'. I'll say! I remember seeing such a bridge (with the square string holes, I mean)- on 4001 copies made by Ibañez!
'Pots and jackplate have been changed, nameplate is missing.' How very convenient.
'The more you look at it the more things are wrong'. I couldn't agree more, Jeff.
Stay away from that half-fake, everyone.
Posted: Sun Oct 10, 2004 5:29 am
by rickcrazy
Does that look like a genuine Rickenbacker bridge/tailpiece assembly to you?
Posted: Sun Oct 10, 2004 5:39 am
by rickcrazy
Not to mention that the first and fifth portions of the comb-like structure above the mute-pad were never as wide as the other three, middle ones. FAKE!