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Toasters to replace Hi-Gains - HOW?

Posted: Sat Feb 19, 2005 4:16 pm
by bill_yantz
I just bought a MapleGlo 330 and it will arrive this Friday. It has Hi-gains. What is the procedure and are can Toasters be installed without invasive modification?

Thanks. When I get it, I will post pics, it's nice.

Thanks for the help.

Posted: Sat Feb 19, 2005 4:28 pm
by dale_fortune
Very simple Bill. Unsolder the wires and resolder the new ones in the exact same spot.

Posted: Sun Feb 20, 2005 12:08 am
by tony_carey
Hi gains are flat backed, whilst toasters have protruding poles. Surely Dale, Bill would need to route the body to accomodate the poles.
I understand that there is a flat backed toaster available.

Before you do this Bill...have you heard a toaster equipped 330? I am assuming that your 330 is a modern 24 fret gtr. Toasters were designed to go with the wider pick up spacing of the 21 fret neck. The 24 fret neck has a closer p/up spacing & to my ears, this closer spacing does not suit toasters quite the same....they become a little more 'scratchy'. All the 60's gtrs had the wider spacing & if you are trying to recreate this sound, then I think you will be dissapointed. Just a thought.

Posted: Sun Feb 20, 2005 12:52 am
by adam_swapp
Tony,

Hi gains aren't flat-backed. They have a rectangular magnet that's made of impregnated rubber(?). They also need a routed cavity. RIC used to make a surface mount toaster, but I wasn't aware that they had done so (outside of some reissues) in many years. They may be like the reissue roller bridges in that they're only available when attached to a whole guitar.

AFAIK, all RIC pickups are interchangeable, with the caveat that a humbucker won't fit an older guitar. I don't know when the cavities were widened (with the introduction of the first hi-gains?), but a 60's cavity is 1/2" wide. The humbucker needs a 9/16" cavity

Posted: Sun Feb 20, 2005 3:01 am
by tony_carey
Thanks for that Adam. I was mistaken on the flat back thing & thanks for putting me right. I was under the impression that the poles on the vintage p/ups were longer than the space allowed for hi-gains.
However, I stand by the pick up spacing part of my post.

Posted: Sun Feb 20, 2005 6:50 am
by fiveightandten
I'm not sure about the spacing, but the toaster dropped right into the neck of my '99 360/6.

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-2/957037/rick1.jpg

Posted: Sun Feb 20, 2005 3:03 pm
by bill_yantz
Thanks for the pic. Nice setup.
Are you going to keep the highgain in the bridge? What do you like about the combination.

Posted: Sun Feb 20, 2005 3:32 pm
by scottpro1969
I realize this is in the guitar section but, I am in the process of replacing a hi-gain with a toaster in a 4003 and there is no additional routing needed (at least on a bass) for this process. Indeed, the toaster's polepieces protrude more than the flat hi-gain, but it fits in the cavity just fine. I would assume (probably naively) that the rout on a 330 would accomodate the toaster just as well.

Posted: Sun Feb 20, 2005 8:12 pm
by fiveightandten
Bill,

Actually...this just came up in another thread. So i'm just going to take the lazy way out and cut and paste my reply from that. ;)

I've had the pickups like that for a while. And I intend to keep it that way for as long as I have the guitar.

My reasoning is that the neck position is so bass heavy, and the bridge position tends to be very bright with a toaster in there. To my ears, it really evens things out to have a nice clear pickup with less bass and more bite (the toaster) in the neck position, and a fatter sounding pickup with a smoother sound (high gain) in the bridge position.

The neck position has nice clarity with the toaster there, and I can switch to the bridge without ripping peoples' ears off. In the middle, it chimes like a Rick should. The volume balance between the 2 is actually fine.

I suppose it does look a little silly. But i've had it like that for a while, and i'm pretty used to it.

-Nick