21 Fret 4001 Bass

hornetamx · Post by **hornetamx** » Thu Oct 04, 2001 6:33 pm

Ok, I once owned a January 1971 4001 bass that had 21 frets. It had the checkered binding, Crushed markers, Walnut wings and the bridge was moved about 1/2 inch closer to the neck to compensate for the extra neck length. This was a great sounding bass and I wish I still had it. I recently found a mid 1970's Rotosound ad with Chris Squire playing a similarly finished Mapleglo 4001 with 21 frets! This bass is also pictured in the inside cover of "The Yes Album." My question is how many of these were made? I could never find out any info on mine when I had it. It was well worn and I tried to get Rickenbacker to do a restore job on it but they said they could not so I sold it. Any info on these 21 fret basses would be appreciated.

jayfbv · Post by **jayfbv** » Mon Mar 04, 2002 3:10 pm

I have a Jan, 1972 21 fret 4001. It has about 8 anomalies, including walnut wings on the headstock, a bound headstock, & dot inlays -- has ROS, so it's a 4001, not a 4001S I suppose.

jwilli · Post by **jwilli** » Mon Mar 04, 2002 4:46 pm

Hey James, how about posting a picture of your 4001. I don't think that I've seen a 4001 with a bound headstock before. Cool.

jayfbv · Post by **jayfbv** » Mon Mar 04, 2002 5:50 pm

I'm new to this forum and I don't know how to post a jpeg. I don't have a website to link to, or I'd point you there.

admin · Post by **admin** » Tue Mar 05, 2002 3:05 am

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rickplayer · Post by **rickplayer** » Tue Mar 05, 2002 5:30 am

I want to try

rickplayer · Post by **rickplayer** » Tue Mar 05, 2002 5:32 am

Sorry for the off the subject. I wanted to try posting a picture.

Jon

admin · Post by **admin** » Tue Mar 05, 2002 5:35 am

Jon: Nice work! Just like Carl Wilson.

jayfbv · Post by **jayfbv** » Tue Mar 05, 2002 9:13 am

Please blow the first one away if this looks better

jayfbv · Post by **jayfbv** » Tue Mar 05, 2002 3:45 pm

The body, pls forgive the Badass and G&L pup

ken_james · Post by **ken_james** » Wed Mar 06, 2002 10:32 am

I don't know about this one, let's here what the Dr. has to say about it.

ken_james · Post by **ken_james** » Wed Mar 06, 2002 10:33 am

That's "hear"

markthemd · Post by **markthemd** » Thu Mar 07, 2002 5:29 am

From 1968 to 1972 , this was an era of "lets see what we can tweek to come up with a seller" .

There are some very interesting instrument that were made during this time .As the Beatles were no longer seen in public with Ricks , but definately heard with the Bass, the buying public was not seeing that bass on a regular basis .

Sales were down and this bass could be one of those "interesting basses" .

The real answer is this .......Rick had a particular viewpoint concerning the routing out of a bass/guitar....and as NO ONE else did it their way , it is easy to spot real from fake.
Also the truss rods are a dead giveaway , when coupled with the routes.
Dick Burke and his mighty felt pen would have been there , and the LC initials or BEM or any of the other familiar markings ......

My take on this is ......SHOW ME the ROUTES!

The rest of it it this ;
Frets are Not original to the bass , definately a refret using 1970's Gibson wire , possibly Dunlop 6110 wire,
The fretboard dots are not stamped out white binding ....are they real? The white plastic ones are typical on all 4000 basses and the edge is not clean on most of them .The Macca bass had rough edges .
Headstocks with binding are done a particular way that NO ONE else does. Lets see the side of the headstock .
In fact lets see the back of the neck/headstock .
The shaper cut on the heel and the flare into the headstock is a particular identifying shape.Even Ibanez copies do not copy this correctly.

THe 'changes' are of NO significance .

jayfbv · Post by **jayfbv** » Thu Mar 07, 2002 8:06 am

You're making this tough. I still not good at reducing these jpegs. I'm going to assume I can only post one pic per message.

jayfbv · Post by **jayfbv** » Thu Mar 07, 2002 8:08 am

Sorry, no side view available of the headstock. I have a rear shot, but it's flat, so you can't see the shape of the neck to headstock transition.