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David Blair (Jonpaul)
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Username: Jonpaul

Post Number: 13
Registered: 08-2004
Posted From: 68.10.201.200
Posted on Tuesday, April 19, 2005 - 04:22 am:   Edit Post Print Post

Hey Paul (Jingle J), I 've got a 325V63 JG that has had some damage to the neck heel of the which was repaired but not refinished very well. Is this something you might be interested in fixing for me? Also there's a few minor nicks in the face of the guitar along with some clear coat seperation on the bottom edge close to the input jack. Do you think a complete refinish would be more appropriate? Let me know if you have any interest. Thanks, D.B.
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paul wilczynski (Jingle_jangle)
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Post Number: 1625
Registered: 12-2004
Posted From: 63.193.9.8
Posted on Tuesday, April 19, 2005 - 02:22 pm:   Edit Post Print Post

Dave,

I'm sure that I can help. Can't tell if you need a complete refin without seeing some good pictures.
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Anthony Carey (Tony_carey)
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Username: Tony_carey

Post Number: 524
Registered: 10-2004
Posted From: 81.157.121.29
Posted on Tuesday, April 19, 2005 - 04:54 pm:   Edit Post Print Post

Here's an interesting photo. A vintage & a modern headstock superimposed. The tuners do not seem to be in the same place. If you wanted to shave a modern headstock, then you would have two choices as far as I can see. You could just shave the length...but that would just give you a short, fat headstock. Or you could plug the tuners & re-drill for the new ones....it would take a braver man than I. If you left the tuners where they are, then you would have the top row dangerously close to the edge of the headstock & the tuner shafts sticking out a long way, which would look odd to say the least
I think I'll leave well alone!

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paul wilczynski (Jingle_jangle)
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Username: Jingle_jangle

Post Number: 1631
Registered: 12-2004
Posted From: 63.193.9.8
Posted on Tuesday, April 19, 2005 - 05:18 pm:   Edit Post Print Post

Tony:

It seems like there are several and some would not shave into the shapes of others!
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Anthony Carey (Tony_carey)
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Username: Tony_carey

Post Number: 525
Registered: 10-2004
Posted From: 81.157.121.29
Posted on Tuesday, April 19, 2005 - 05:40 pm:   Edit Post Print Post

This is really interesting. The vintage style headstock in your pic Paul is almost as long as the modern one, although if shaved to the width of the vintage, the tuners would still be too near the edge. The bottom length is too long as well, which means that it could never be totaly accurate. If this is the case (that vintage headstocks vary in length) then clearly some would work better than others, but none would be without major compromise?

What a great thread!
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paul wilczynski (Jingle_jangle)
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Username: Jingle_jangle

Post Number: 1634
Registered: 12-2004
Posted From: 63.193.9.8
Posted on Tuesday, April 19, 2005 - 06:04 pm:   Edit Post Print Post

I'm intrigued as well. It seems like there is some variance, and here again JH is the Man of Authority. I know that, up until the mid-80s (maybe even late '80s), Rick tooling and manufacturing methods were nowhere near as precise as they are today. But I don't think it's a matter of tooling precision alone. It seems that there is quite a bit of variance between eras and models.

In the two I overlaid, the laminations of the neck/headstock even line up, and the holes for the tuning heads seem to be in the same place within about a 32nd.

We need to get someone with a lot of these of various years, to take some photos on a gridded background or with a lenticle to figure this one out.
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Anthony Carey (Tony_carey)
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Post Number: 527
Registered: 10-2004
Posted From: 81.157.121.29
Posted on Tuesday, April 19, 2005 - 06:18 pm:   Edit Post Print Post

I have a 1980 330 with the small headstock, a '92 1997 & a '97 360V64 that I can measure over the next couple of days. I also have a new 330 with which to compare. Homework!
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John Williams (Jwilli)
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Username: Jwilli

Post Number: 833
Registered: 04-2002
Posted From: 24.88.72.49
Posted on Tuesday, April 19, 2005 - 06:38 pm:   Edit Post Print Post

I'm not taking a picture of either of my lenticles.
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paul wilczynski (Jingle_jangle)
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Username: Jingle_jangle

Post Number: 1635
Registered: 12-2004
Posted From: 63.193.9.8
Posted on Tuesday, April 19, 2005 - 06:45 pm:   Edit Post Print Post

Put them in your soup.
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John Williams (Jwilli)
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Post Number: 835
Registered: 04-2002
Posted From: 24.88.72.49
Posted on Tuesday, April 19, 2005 - 06:49 pm:   Edit Post Print Post

but then it would have to be "Macho Balls Soup". Ok, I'll stop here. Sorry Peter......;-0