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paul wilczynski (Jingle_jangle)
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Post Number: 1787
Registered: 12-2004
Posted From: 24.23.164.148
Posted on Thursday, April 28, 2005 - 02:57 am:   Edit Post Print Post

Jeff, I think you are referring to vibrato systems. There is nothing like a Strat vibrato or a real dive bomber like a properly-set-up Floyd Rose for nasty metal.

I personally find Gibsons to be the least flexible of all the ones you've mentioned. (Except for the old low-impedance ones!) In general, though, most brands have "their" traditional specialty sounds.
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Dean Mentjes (Dean712)
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Post Number: 194
Registered: 01-2005
Posted From: 69.220.203.70
Posted on Thursday, April 28, 2005 - 05:07 am:   Edit Post Print Post

Carey - I actually do read that magazine, I am a subscriber. However... I have been a subscriber for years, because I used to be a rhythm guitarist in a band (I am primarily a bassist), and the transcriptions are quite helpful. I keep a library of those things in my basement. I will look for the copy with the Ric 660 review and post something soon.
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Jeff Ulmer (Jeff_ulmer)
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Post Number: 628
Registered: 01-2003
Posted From: 209.52.203.85
Posted on Thursday, April 28, 2005 - 02:17 pm:   Edit Post Print Post

Paul, yes I am talking about vibrato systems (we call them tremolo here). I use Floyds pretty much exclusively, since they are about the only system that will stay in tune with heavy abuse. They don't sound like the Fender vibrato either, different mechanics.

All my Gibsons are hard tails, and are very good at what they do, but again, they all sound and feel differently, which is why I keep them.
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Brian Rodger (Brian)
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Post Number: 325
Registered: 05-2003
Posted From: 66.183.117.177
Posted on Thursday, April 28, 2005 - 02:37 pm:   Edit Post Print Post

What about the 650 series with the High Performance vibrato system ?
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paul wilczynski (Jingle_jangle)
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Post Number: 1793
Registered: 12-2004
Posted From: 63.193.9.8
Posted on Thursday, April 28, 2005 - 02:40 pm:   Edit Post Print Post

Jeff, there has been lots of confusion between vibrato and tremelo, which unfortunately has been perpetuated by manufacturers themselves at times. Sorry to hear that "over there" you use tremelo to mean vibrato. Vibrato is a pitch change. Tremelo is a volume change.
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Peter McCormack (Admin)
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Post Number: 3439
Registered: 04-2003
Posted From: 142.166.105.220
Posted on Thursday, April 28, 2005 - 03:20 pm:   Edit Post Print Post

I know what you mean Paul. I am glad you set the record straight.

The American Heritage dictionary offers the following definition of vibrato.

quote:

Vibrato - "A tremulous or pulsating effect produced in an instrumental or vocal tone by minute and rapid variations in pitch."



If we can have a "tremulous vibrato" does a "vibrating tremelo" also exist? Possibly as the American Heritage definition of tremelo is as follows.

quote:

Tremelo - "Vocal vibrato especially an excessive or poorly controlled one."


I guess this pretty much sorts things out.

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Dave Westheimer (Dave4004)
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Post Number: 1152
Registered: 06-2002
Posted From: 69.91.31.135
Posted on Thursday, April 28, 2005 - 09:24 pm:   Edit Post Print Post

Silence Is Golden, Peter.
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paul wilczynski (Jingle_jangle)
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Post Number: 1805
Registered: 12-2004
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Posted on Thursday, April 28, 2005 - 09:32 pm:   Edit Post Print Post

The American Heritage definition comes from/refers to classical voice definition and is most often used by opera critics.
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Carey Biorkman (Biznork)
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Post Number: 21
Registered: 02-2004
Posted From: 71.104.192.89
Posted on Thursday, April 28, 2005 - 10:43 pm:   Edit Post Print Post

Rickenbacker advertises fairly regularly in Guitar World Magazine.
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Jeff Ulmer (Jeff_ulmer)
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Post Number: 629
Registered: 01-2003
Posted From: 209.52.203.85
Posted on Friday, April 29, 2005 - 01:34 am:   Edit Post Print Post

I'm not "over here". :-)

According to the many definitions available, either word is suitable to describe the effect. I have yet to see a definition of tremolo that has anything to do with amplitude.

My tremolo use is hardly minute in its pitch variations. :-)