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Steve Carsello (Steverok)
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Post Number: 114
Registered: 03-2005
Posted From: 209.214.20.173
Posted on Friday, May 27, 2005 - 01:47 am:   Edit Post Print Post

Hey gang, I was thinking of putting a trapeze tail piece on my 360-12VP FG, to give it more of a vintage look and distinction apart from my other Ric's, but also, I have heard the re-stringing is easier. Can anyone comment on this? It looks like the holes are big enough so that the strings could still fall out while re-stringing. Is it as good as the R tail piece, in terms of maintaining tone, tune, and intonation? I am also worried about having two strings per slot. That seems precarious.
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Dale Bruce Fortune (Dale_fortune)
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Post Number: 176
Registered: 10-2004
Posted From: 67.189.65.67
Posted on Friday, May 27, 2005 - 03:46 am:   Edit Post Print Post

Get the vintage trapeze tail piece. Retro looking and so much easier to change strings.
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Anthony Carey (Tony_carey)
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Post Number: 667
Registered: 10-2004
Posted From: 81.157.120.116
Posted on Friday, May 27, 2005 - 06:05 am:   Edit Post Print Post

The trapeze works great with 2 strings per slot & the holes are not big enough for the strings to fall out.
This is a personal thing, but I think that a trapeze on a 360 would look quite odd, as they were never made to have one (although I was told that you could special order it). If the 360 is a modern 24 fret model, then I think it would look even odder IMO.
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paul wilczynski (Jingle_jangle)
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Post Number: 2216
Registered: 12-2004
Posted From: 67.180.37.56
Posted on Friday, May 27, 2005 - 08:13 am:   Edit Post Print Post

And there you have it, Steve. Oregon vs. Devon in a playoff match not to be missed. Both with brief, well-considered, and succinct distillations of the two polar views on trapeze tailpieces!

Where does that leave you, however? My guess is...still worried.
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J.C. Gaskins (Loverickbass)
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Post Number: 366
Registered: 07-2002
Posted From: 152.163.101.6
Posted on Friday, May 27, 2005 - 09:34 am:   Edit Post Print Post

BTW, you have to drill new holes for the trapeze. That could mean trouble later if you want to go back to the "R".

Cole
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Peter McCormack (Admin)
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Post Number: 3696
Registered: 04-2003
Posted From: 142.166.105.220
Posted on Friday, May 27, 2005 - 10:03 am:   Edit Post Print Post

Excellent point Cole. After you restring your 12 string with the trapeze, however, I doubt that you will go back. I also have found the trapeze to be less susceptible to shifting from side to side. Much easier and quicker when replacing a broken string under gig pressure too!
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Steve Carsello (Steverok)
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Post Number: 115
Registered: 03-2005
Posted From: 136.182.2.221
Posted on Friday, May 27, 2005 - 10:22 am:   Edit Post Print Post

Yes, I hate to drill new holes into the guitar, but, if you never plan to go back, then it shouldn't matter. I think I can just drill the top ones, and if I ever decide to back back to the R, the new holes wouldn't show. Anthony, I saw a picture of a 370/12VP 24-fret, with trapeze tail piece, it looks great !
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Peter McCormack (Admin)
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Post Number: 3697
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Posted on Friday, May 27, 2005 - 10:39 am:   Edit Post Print Post

That is right Steve. You really don't have to go all hog or none on this change.
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Steve Carsello (Steverok)
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Post Number: 116
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Posted From: 136.182.2.221
Posted on Friday, May 27, 2005 - 10:53 am:   Edit Post Print Post

This guitar already has a few vintage touches already - reshaped TRC, rounded pickguard edges, toasters, etc., even though it's a new guitar. A Ric expert told me the best way to re-string a 12 on the trapeze is to insert one string from beneath the trapeze hole, and the other from above the trapeze hole, that way, they won't get all mangled together. Do y'all do it this way ?
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Anthony Carey (Tony_carey)
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Post Number: 668
Registered: 10-2004
Posted From: 81.157.120.116
Posted on Friday, May 27, 2005 - 10:58 am:   Edit Post Print Post

What, a 24 fret with a trapeze AND toasters.....

I know we're all different, but I find that look firmly in no mans land...not vintage & not modern, a sort of mish mash of ideas. A trapeze with a large headstock? (not so obvious on the 12's admittetdly). I find the 360WB to be the same.
However, I must stress that this is only my feeling, but I can actually see nothing really wrong with any of it...if it works, then do it! I put vintage knobs on everything, so I'm guilty myself of breaking my own rules!

A good idea though to only use two screws. If you do it, then please post a pic, I'd love to eat my words!