Bubbly finish

bubblebobble · Post by **bubblebobble** » Sun Jan 21, 2001 4:04 am

The finish around the tuners (near where the screws go on) on my '92 fireglo 1997 is forming bubbles. I was examining it and I pressed down, and the finish cracked. I didn't unscrew the tuner or do any unusual, and I have ran a humidifier when it was too dry. This just happened recently. Is this something that usually happens? (it's my first ric so I don't know) Or is it some sort of defect?

markthemd · Post by **markthemd** » Sun Jan 21, 2001 4:06 pm

Can you post a photo?

This sounds like an adhesion problem.
If you oil your tuners ...this could be a reason .
It copuld also be the finish material ,
it could be that the wood was sanded too fine and did not give adequate 'bite' for the color and clear to adhere to.
It could be a polish problem ,added with over tightening the tuners.
It could be several other things .Hard to say without looking at it .

s · Post by s » Sun Jan 21, 2001 5:33 pm

Here is a picture
http://members.spree.com/entertainment/phage/images/bubbles.jpg

FRANK · Post by **FRANK** » Sun Jan 21, 2001 11:36 pm

Im not trying too butt in Mark....but
bubble,
those defects or whatever you would call them look like the kind of weather checks that Ive seen on lots of Ricks, I think this is from the factory putting the Keys on before the finish has had time to cure the impression from the sharp edge of the key causes it to crack when they screw them down....
just my 1 cent...
Im probably wrong......
FRANK M. ROBINSON III

markthemd · Post by **markthemd** » Mon Jan 22, 2001 9:36 am

That is one other reason and with the changing formulas of 'paint' ,and the EPA telling makers of it what there needs to be in solids in the material (as well as how all finishing materials must work and by a specific date) I'm afraid that more of this from all makers will arise.

Fender has had some problems with this when they used Duco and Acrylic Lucite paint in the 1960's .

The are plenty of refinish jobs done using a non OEM type lacquer and they show this too.

I would call up the factory and ask them about it .Be nice and don't growl ...you will get a lot farther .See what the official word is and let us know .I'm sure we would love to hear what it said.

FRANK · Post by **FRANK** » Mon Jan 22, 2001 12:14 pm

take his word on this, bubble, I had a little falling out with John Hall and I didnt get anywhere...be kind,when you talk to them....
the EPA and all those bura'cats are making it hard for anyone that sprays, its a catch 22, I wouldnt want to live next to a auto body shop either....
I franky would not worry about it, I dont think the finish is going to come off, if it does it will be a mapelgo then, HEE HEE HEE

....
I think it just adds to the guitar, but some folks like a real clean guitar....FRANK

Frank_S · Post by **Frank_S** » Tue Jan 23, 2001 11:53 am

The finish on my 1989 325v59 mapleglo is wearing/flaking off at a pretty bad pace. I use the guitar every day, but once a chip or bubble forms, expect some more flaking/checking/ wear.
Personally, I don't care, it looks great.

bubble · Post by **bubble** » Wed Jan 24, 2001 1:36 am

Thanks for all the responses

FRANK · Post by **FRANK** » Fri Jan 26, 2001 3:41 pm

one thing that could cause, the finishes to crack.... would be putting too much, Im at a loss for words here...what do you call it????
Mark MD help......anyway it speeds up the cureing of the paint and causes it to dry too fast and when the paint drys it shrinks and then you factor in the weather and humidity.....
I really dont know....but it sounds good????
what do you think Mark the MD ????

markthemd · Post by **markthemd** » Sat Jan 27, 2001 6:12 pm

No ...fast thinners and more catalist do speed up the process,as does heat ,but that is not the problem.The problem is of adhesion.

I would ask the Rickenbacker factory what they think you should do.

What I would do could be different from their response and as they know the properties of their finishing material ...I will say ..ask them.

It may sound like I have no answer ,but I do not want to put words into their "mouth".

markthemd · Post by **markthemd** » Sat Jan 27, 2001 6:21 pm

No ...fast thinners and more catalist do speed up the process,as does heat ,but that is not the problem.The problem is of adhesion.

I would ask the Rickenbacker factory what they think you should do.

What I would do could be different from their response and as they know the properties of their finishing material ...I will say ..ask them.

It may sound like I have no answer ,but I do not want to put words into their "mouth".