David Coyle's 1968 335 Restoration
Moderator: jingle_jangle
- jingle_jangle
- RRF Moderator
- Posts: 22679
- Joined: Wed Dec 22, 2004 6:00 am
- Contact:
This was done just Tuesday last. One coat of sanding sealer over the entire guitar. I've sprayed up some sample Autumnglo color chips in 4 variations and sent them off, so that David can select the one he likes best. As I mentioned, Autumnglo uses only 1 color (semi-transparent reddish brown) to yield a 3-tone sunburst.
Originally, Autumnglo was sprayed over a plain maple guitar. Over the years, the conversion varnish on most of these oldies has mellowed to a beautiful amber tone, and that's what David's finish will replicate, as if the guitar's original Autumnglo had yellowed. So this will replicate an "antiqued" finish.
Anyway: below are the picture links. Mapleglo, anyone?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v693/jingle_jangle/backseal2.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v693/jingle_jangle/bodybackseal1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v693/jingle_jangle/frontseal1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v693/jingle_jangle/hsseal1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v693/jingle_jangle/sideseal1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v693/jingle_jangle/neckbackseal1.jpg
Next: More sanding, a final coat of sealer, sand again, mask the fretboard, and spray the Autumnglo burst per David's request! Oh, the dot markers were replaced this morning, too.
I'll do a nice step-by-step on using this clearcoat, too.
Originally, Autumnglo was sprayed over a plain maple guitar. Over the years, the conversion varnish on most of these oldies has mellowed to a beautiful amber tone, and that's what David's finish will replicate, as if the guitar's original Autumnglo had yellowed. So this will replicate an "antiqued" finish.
Anyway: below are the picture links. Mapleglo, anyone?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v693/jingle_jangle/backseal2.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v693/jingle_jangle/bodybackseal1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v693/jingle_jangle/frontseal1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v693/jingle_jangle/hsseal1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v693/jingle_jangle/sideseal1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v693/jingle_jangle/neckbackseal1.jpg
Next: More sanding, a final coat of sealer, sand again, mask the fretboard, and spray the Autumnglo burst per David's request! Oh, the dot markers were replaced this morning, too.
I'll do a nice step-by-step on using this clearcoat, too.
“I say in speeches that a plausible mission of artists is to make people appreciate being alive at least a little bit. I am then asked if I know of any artists who pulled that off. I reply, 'The Beatles did.”
― Kurt Vonnegut
― Kurt Vonnegut
- jingle_jangle
- RRF Moderator
- Posts: 22679
- Joined: Wed Dec 22, 2004 6:00 am
- Contact:
Randy, try McMaster-Carr at www.mcmastercarr.com. They have all kinds in stainless steel (polish up nicely) and brass, all the way down to #2 in size. (That's tiny!)
The only hangup is you have to buy boxes of 100 for about $3.00 a box. Oh, I forgot, this is a Rickenbacker group!
The only hangup is you have to buy boxes of 100 for about $3.00 a box. Oh, I forgot, this is a Rickenbacker group!
“I say in speeches that a plausible mission of artists is to make people appreciate being alive at least a little bit. I am then asked if I know of any artists who pulled that off. I reply, 'The Beatles did.”
― Kurt Vonnegut
― Kurt Vonnegut
Paul -- I remember one of your earlier posts in this thread, sometime after you had removed the previous paint, lacquer etc, and were now down to the bare wood. I believe you were saying that the wood was really not good enough for a mapleglo finish, and would need a Fireglo, Autumnglo, etc, to hide some wood imperfections.
I just have to say after looking at the last set of pix, that, wow, not sure I agree with you on that now! I think the wood looks gorgeous. Obviously you know more about these things, and are sitting there with the guitar, not just looking at the pics. Have you changed your opinion at all? If it was mine, I'd be tempted to say leave it MG....especially that neck wood. Simply beautiful.
I just have to say after looking at the last set of pix, that, wow, not sure I agree with you on that now! I think the wood looks gorgeous. Obviously you know more about these things, and are sitting there with the guitar, not just looking at the pics. Have you changed your opinion at all? If it was mine, I'd be tempted to say leave it MG....especially that neck wood. Simply beautiful.
-
bill_yantz
- Member
- Posts: 275
- Joined: Sat Jun 05, 2004 5:00 am
Paul, beautiful job. I am impressed with not only how much you know about guitar restoration but more so, the work that you do. Methodical, well-planned, quality work.
The guitar would be a great example of MG but I think AG would add character to the already beautiful wood grain in the body and neck. In general, don't you think AG will allow the figuration of the wood to really stand out?
The guitar would be a great example of MG but I think AG would add character to the already beautiful wood grain in the body and neck. In general, don't you think AG will allow the figuration of the wood to really stand out?
A British Invasion Tribute
http://www.myspace.com/billyyantz
http://www.myspace.com/billyyantz
- jingle_jangle
- RRF Moderator
- Posts: 22679
- Joined: Wed Dec 22, 2004 6:00 am
- Contact:
Granted that the wood is beautiful, but the grain is very straight; not the beautifully-figured grain that we expect to see on a MG guitar. The front of the guitar is 100% straight-grained. The back has two nice bird's eyes which will show through the AG nicely, as they're near the center.
The nicest figuring on the entire instrument is on the neck at the headstock end; some beautiful rippling there will be partially obscured by the AG shading...
But wait until you see it in AG! (This is David Coyle's guitar, not mine, and AG was the point of this whole restoration.) The samples I sent him will, when executed on the entire guitar, transform this instrument. This is drawing to a close; I'll be sorry to see it go. Within two weeks, you will see the results of this color selection, and I believe you'll agree with David and I that AG was a great choice!
The nicest figuring on the entire instrument is on the neck at the headstock end; some beautiful rippling there will be partially obscured by the AG shading...
But wait until you see it in AG! (This is David Coyle's guitar, not mine, and AG was the point of this whole restoration.) The samples I sent him will, when executed on the entire guitar, transform this instrument. This is drawing to a close; I'll be sorry to see it go. Within two weeks, you will see the results of this color selection, and I believe you'll agree with David and I that AG was a great choice!
“I say in speeches that a plausible mission of artists is to make people appreciate being alive at least a little bit. I am then asked if I know of any artists who pulled that off. I reply, 'The Beatles did.”
― Kurt Vonnegut
― Kurt Vonnegut
- jingle_jangle
- RRF Moderator
- Posts: 22679
- Joined: Wed Dec 22, 2004 6:00 am
- Contact:
David has sent me all the old hardware, and I believe a new pickguard is in the offing as well, so you most certainly WILL see it completed before I ship it off.
“I say in speeches that a plausible mission of artists is to make people appreciate being alive at least a little bit. I am then asked if I know of any artists who pulled that off. I reply, 'The Beatles did.”
― Kurt Vonnegut
― Kurt Vonnegut
-
dale_fortune
- Intermediate Member
- Posts: 1241
- Joined: Sat Oct 30, 2004 6:00 am
- jingle_jangle
- RRF Moderator
- Posts: 22679
- Joined: Wed Dec 22, 2004 6:00 am
- Contact:
Thanks, Dale!
I've done that type of splice a few times on spruce-topped acoustics, with excellent results.
In this case, however, the wood grain in the crack areas (both of them!) has two colors, with an annual ring running right through the crack in an irregular manner. The nature of this crack is what led me to think a sudden trauma, such as "stepped on"; if it had been a stress crack it would have been right along one of the rings and easy to patch in the manner you describe.
In this case, a single light-colored or dark-colored splice would have shown even more than the crack would have; the only thing close to invisible would be to match that grain variation exactly with a nearly-identical piece of maple with not only the same general coloring, but also with the grain running exactly the same way. So I was forced to leave it.
The best option for an "as new" appearance would have been to replace the entire top (and I could have used a piece of maple with some nice figuring, too) but David wanted the guitar to be as close to original as possible.
I've done that type of splice a few times on spruce-topped acoustics, with excellent results.
In this case, however, the wood grain in the crack areas (both of them!) has two colors, with an annual ring running right through the crack in an irregular manner. The nature of this crack is what led me to think a sudden trauma, such as "stepped on"; if it had been a stress crack it would have been right along one of the rings and easy to patch in the manner you describe.
In this case, a single light-colored or dark-colored splice would have shown even more than the crack would have; the only thing close to invisible would be to match that grain variation exactly with a nearly-identical piece of maple with not only the same general coloring, but also with the grain running exactly the same way. So I was forced to leave it.
The best option for an "as new" appearance would have been to replace the entire top (and I could have used a piece of maple with some nice figuring, too) but David wanted the guitar to be as close to original as possible.
“I say in speeches that a plausible mission of artists is to make people appreciate being alive at least a little bit. I am then asked if I know of any artists who pulled that off. I reply, 'The Beatles did.”
― Kurt Vonnegut
― Kurt Vonnegut
- jingle_jangle
- RRF Moderator
- Posts: 22679
- Joined: Wed Dec 22, 2004 6:00 am
- Contact:
I suppose this thread belongs in this Topic Area now, huh?
Finally, after 3 solid weeks of chaos while my shop and offices were remodeled, I managed to get back into my spray booth and break out the little SATA gun.
I first scuffed the fretboard to aid adhesion of the conversion varnish:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v331/cardesnr99/RICKENBACKER%20335%20PAINT/fretsand.jpg
I mixed up a nice batch of Autumnglo tint, masked off the neck of the 335:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v331/cardesnr99/RICKENBACKER%20335%20PAINT/firstmask.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v331/cardesnr99/RICKENBACKER%20335%20PAINT/finishmask.jpg
Here are some shots of the guitar hung up: A shame to cover that beautiful heel area with AG tint...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v331/cardesnr99/RICKENBACKER%20335%20PAINT/hangup.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v331/cardesnr99/RICKENBACKER%20335%20PAINT/heelcu.jpg
...but here we go, I begin with the heel area:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v331/cardesnr99/RICKENBACKER%20335%20PAINT/shade1.jpg
I then do the headstock:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v331/cardesnr99/RICKENBACKER%20335%20PAINT/shade2.jpg
Edges are next:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v331/cardesnr99/RICKENBACKER%20335%20PAINT/shade3.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v331/cardesnr99/RICKENBACKER%20335%20PAINT/shade4.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v331/cardesnr99/RICKENBACKER%20335%20PAINT/shade5.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v331/cardesnr99/RICKENBACKER%20335%20PAINT/shade6.jpg
Now the back:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v331/cardesnr99/RICKENBACKER%20335%20PAINT/shade7.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v331/cardesnr99/RICKENBACKER%20335%20PAINT/shade9.jpg
Finally the front:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v331/cardesnr99/RICKENBACKER%20335%20PAINT/shade10.jpg
Following the tinting in Autumnglo, I applied an amber tint to the center sections to age the finish:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v331/cardesnr99/RICKENBACKER%20335%20PAINT/amber.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v331/cardesnr99/RICKENBACKER%20335%20PAINT/amber2.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v331/cardesnr99/RICKENBACKER%20335%20PAINT/amber1.jpg
Next: conversion varnish, color sanding, buffing, and assembly. Stay tuned!
Finally, after 3 solid weeks of chaos while my shop and offices were remodeled, I managed to get back into my spray booth and break out the little SATA gun.
I first scuffed the fretboard to aid adhesion of the conversion varnish:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v331/cardesnr99/RICKENBACKER%20335%20PAINT/fretsand.jpg
I mixed up a nice batch of Autumnglo tint, masked off the neck of the 335:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v331/cardesnr99/RICKENBACKER%20335%20PAINT/firstmask.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v331/cardesnr99/RICKENBACKER%20335%20PAINT/finishmask.jpg
Here are some shots of the guitar hung up: A shame to cover that beautiful heel area with AG tint...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v331/cardesnr99/RICKENBACKER%20335%20PAINT/hangup.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v331/cardesnr99/RICKENBACKER%20335%20PAINT/heelcu.jpg
...but here we go, I begin with the heel area:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v331/cardesnr99/RICKENBACKER%20335%20PAINT/shade1.jpg
I then do the headstock:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v331/cardesnr99/RICKENBACKER%20335%20PAINT/shade2.jpg
Edges are next:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v331/cardesnr99/RICKENBACKER%20335%20PAINT/shade3.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v331/cardesnr99/RICKENBACKER%20335%20PAINT/shade4.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v331/cardesnr99/RICKENBACKER%20335%20PAINT/shade5.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v331/cardesnr99/RICKENBACKER%20335%20PAINT/shade6.jpg
Now the back:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v331/cardesnr99/RICKENBACKER%20335%20PAINT/shade7.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v331/cardesnr99/RICKENBACKER%20335%20PAINT/shade9.jpg
Finally the front:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v331/cardesnr99/RICKENBACKER%20335%20PAINT/shade10.jpg
Following the tinting in Autumnglo, I applied an amber tint to the center sections to age the finish:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v331/cardesnr99/RICKENBACKER%20335%20PAINT/amber.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v331/cardesnr99/RICKENBACKER%20335%20PAINT/amber2.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v331/cardesnr99/RICKENBACKER%20335%20PAINT/amber1.jpg
Next: conversion varnish, color sanding, buffing, and assembly. Stay tuned!
“I say in speeches that a plausible mission of artists is to make people appreciate being alive at least a little bit. I am then asked if I know of any artists who pulled that off. I reply, 'The Beatles did.”
― Kurt Vonnegut
― Kurt Vonnegut
