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At one point, Fripp says "We've had a lot of requests to play louder...if I might make a suggestion, you might try listening more attentively."
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I have a vinyl King Crimson boot from Arlington TX on the '74 tour. Fripp uses the same line...I guess it's timeless
>>>>>not to be argumentative, but just looking for some clarity: how do you win a boxing match without hurting your opponent? ..... if the other guy doesn't look wrecked by the end of the proceedings, you haven't 'prevailed'.
Dane, I dont mean to sound condescending in any way, but its obvious that you've never participated in sport boxing. There is a lot of boxing out there and not all of it is the Ali-Fraizer Thrilla_In_Manilla type of drag'em'out deathmatch. The vast majority of boxing matches are won by one guy scoring more points (legal hits) than the other guy. This is determined by a judge (or judges). Think of it more like fencing (although admitedly more hard hitting and ptotentially damaging) where you try to out-point your opponent. What you DONT do is step into the ring with the mindset that you are going to kill or seriously hurt or "cause pain" to the other guy. Yes, there are those who have that mindset and some of those even turn pro, but more often than not those kind of people will be tossed out of a legitmate boxing club REAL fast. Dont get me wrong... I was never a pro boxer or anything (far from it) but I've won fights and lost fights and never considered myself hurt. The worst thing that happened to me was getting the wind knocked out pretty bad..... no fun at all, but nothing that does any real damage.
>>>>>>but to say that dealing out pain is not a part of boxing is like saying sex is unrelated to rock'n'roll...(or drugs, for that matter)...
What can I say? The object of regular sport boxing is not to "cause pain" and even getting punched in the face during a match is not painful. Again I'm trying to make the distinction between legitimate sport boxing and pro boxing. With pro boxing you have a bit more of a point since many unknowledgeable fans will only watch to see blood and knockouts.... and yes, the commercial aspect does drive it more toward spectacular violence instead of skilled pugilism. But with all due respect here, I think you are treading into terratory that you dont have any experience in.... thats ok, I wouldnt begin to tell you, for instance, about life in antarctica. I've never even been south of the equator!
But whatever.... How in the world did we get from Rickenbacker guitars to boxing? The internet is a wonderous place, eh?
“The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it.” ....H. L. Mencken
You bet, Holmes...and you're quite right, I've never participated in sport boxing...glass jaw, deviated septum, six feet tall and 150 pounds and hands that, well, look a lot like Paul W's: put 'em all together, they spell pacifist. I did get involved in some non-sport boxing in a Navy enlisted club one night...stepped between two very drunk friends who wanted to go on each other and suggested if they wanted to hit someone, to hit me...Tony, the welder from Georgia, tried carefully to focus his eyes and then drilled me in the solar plexus (like the shot that killed Houdini). I went down like a bag of rags and couldn't breathe right for hours.
>>>>>stepped between two very drunk friends who wanted to go on each other and suggested if they wanted to hit someone, to hit me
forgive me, Dane, but LOL!!!!! Not exactly a good career move, eh? 6'/150? Dang, dane... want me to send you some choice cut T-bones and Bulls-eye steak sauce?
“The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it.” ....H. L. Mencken
You're quite forgiven...several days later when I could breathe right again I was able to laugh at it too...if I ever feel the need to break up a fight again, I'm doing it from behind the wheel of a car...
If you have one of those old Charles Atlas How-To-Become-A-He-Man brochures, maybe I could make use of it and become 'boss of the beach'...
Gee, life was so much simpler then, wasn't it? Bathing costumes only came in basic black, every guy had the same haircut, and women's bodies looked, for lack of a better term, human...
... I dont think its the costume that transforms them but more the fact that those Wyoming farm boys will kick your butt (and my butt too) six ways from Sunday. Us city slickers just didn't grow up with the same physical demands as a farm kid. Some of those guys are tough as nails.
On the other hand a kid growing up on the streets of an inner city does develop skills and awarenesses that the farm boy doesn't.
“The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it.” ....H. L. Mencken
Indeed...I've known some of them farm boys, and no girlie-man like Ahhnold with his prissy repetitions to get 'definition' can compare with a lifetime of throwing bales of hay onto a wagon...
I think, under the circumstances, we should all petition the IOC to get the official Greco-Roman costume changed to cut-off bib overalls...
Speaking of costumes, and getting back to the original "Stage Setup" thread....
What do people wear for band gigs?
Naturally the early 60's was devoted to "uniforms" (suits and ties and other matching shirts/pants). Then the late 60's ushered in some pretty gawdy costumes and git-ups. Then came the silly glam-rock. Later the idea of what to wear just degenerated into the "I'm_too_cool_to_worry_about_clothes" look (Elton John not withstandng).
As for my little band, we generally wear black t-shirts and jeans for regular bar gigs. Our only more formal thing is white longsleeve shirts with (specially bought) skinny black ties. This goes with jeans or (for special gigs like a "Second Chance Prom" we did last winter) black pants&shoes.
Anyone out there have band uniforms?
“The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it.” ....H. L. Mencken
