My mistake, Lee. I think Carl is heading down to Brissie soon, so he may be able to check it out then. I've checked out the site a number of times - he's certainly got some interesting stuff!!
Glad you're still using the CS3, Lee.... and I'm really glad you didn't pay full cop for it seeing as how it's getting less and less use!!
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Thanks again for the contributions guys. I'm going to buy a compressor of one breed or another and I want to get the right one the first time, so you're all a big help. I have decided that I can't really lose, whether the compressor works for the purpose I intend it for or not. If I find that I still can't get a good stage sound that suits my band's style at least I'll still have a good piece of equipment to use at home for my own enjoyment with a different sound and style of music, and I'll stick with the Telecasters for gigs. That would be a real shame though because I had my heart set on using the 620 permanently for gigs when it arrives.
As it turns out Howard, I've been trying to get to Melbourne for a while to visit a couple of close friends there, but work keeps stuffing me around with the dates for the Brisbane duties you mentioned. It would be great to have the opportunity to try out your gear and pick your brain about things in person, but it ain't gonna happen soon unfortunately. As I recall though, in a recent email I made an offer for your gear to get away from cold Melbourne and have a holiday in the tropics...
I sent an email to Tym Guitars this morning to see if they stock the Janglebox and what price they sell for, but as yet I haven't had a reply.
Still no takers for opinions on the Barber Tone Press??
As it turns out Howard, I've been trying to get to Melbourne for a while to visit a couple of close friends there, but work keeps stuffing me around with the dates for the Brisbane duties you mentioned. It would be great to have the opportunity to try out your gear and pick your brain about things in person, but it ain't gonna happen soon unfortunately. As I recall though, in a recent email I made an offer for your gear to get away from cold Melbourne and have a holiday in the tropics...
I sent an email to Tym Guitars this morning to see if they stock the Janglebox and what price they sell for, but as yet I haven't had a reply.
Still no takers for opinions on the Barber Tone Press??
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Having heard the Janglebox soundclips I'd really love to have one, but I'm broke right now so I'll make do with what I've got for a while.
Don't know about other here, but I've got an MXR DynaComp and a Visual Sound Route 66. Haven't tried the DynaComp with my Rick yet, but the compressor side of the Rt. 66 is sounding really good to me. I especially like the tone knob on it, making it a lot more versatile. One of these days I might try using both compressors but the Rt. 66 is fine by itself.
I mostly play Fenders and Gibsons and a lot of my friends on the Fender board really love the Barber Tone Press because it has a mix knob that allows mixing the straight guitar signal with the compressed signal. Sounds like a neat idea but I've never tried one myself though.
I'd say just try out whatever you can find and get the one that sounds best to you.
Don't know about other here, but I've got an MXR DynaComp and a Visual Sound Route 66. Haven't tried the DynaComp with my Rick yet, but the compressor side of the Rt. 66 is sounding really good to me. I especially like the tone knob on it, making it a lot more versatile. One of these days I might try using both compressors but the Rt. 66 is fine by itself.
I mostly play Fenders and Gibsons and a lot of my friends on the Fender board really love the Barber Tone Press because it has a mix knob that allows mixing the straight guitar signal with the compressed signal. Sounds like a neat idea but I've never tried one myself though.
I'd say just try out whatever you can find and get the one that sounds best to you.
Carl: Do yourself a favour and gig with the 620 when you get it. I hate to say it, but Teles are a dime a dozen and you'll be the one who's copping all the questions and comments if you've got the Rick on stage!!
Hmmmmm..... I've got Frequent Flyers coming out of my ears at the moment. Townsville would be a pretty nice place to be this time of the year, wouldn't it?
I'm a Roosters fan first, a Storm boy second, but I've got a huge soft spot for the Cowboys!!
That's Rugby League talk for those of you who are completely baffled by the above.......
Hmmmmm..... I've got Frequent Flyers coming out of my ears at the moment. Townsville would be a pretty nice place to be this time of the year, wouldn't it?
I'm a Roosters fan first, a Storm boy second, but I've got a huge soft spot for the Cowboys!!
That's Rugby League talk for those of you who are completely baffled by the above.......
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This is my slightly red-faced "D'oh!!!" post.
I have discovered the underlying cause of the problem I described in my first post. What I originally thought was a result of hot Ric pickups through a loud amp is instead the result of my amp's settings.
To explain further, when playing my Teles on the crunchy channel I usually use the bridge pickup only, with the amp's gain on 6, bass on 9, middle between 5 & 6, and treble between 5 & 6. When I got the Ric I spent a week experimenting with a million combinations of the guitar's and amp's settings, and unlike the Tele I ended up using both pickups on the 360, with the amp's gain on 5, bass on 9, middle on 3 and treble on 8. Something clicked with me yesterday and I tried my Tele with the same settings - that is, with the pickup selector in the middle position and with the amp's "Ric" settings as described just above. I cranked up the amp's volume and guess what? I had the same problem! That's where the "D'oh!!" happened. So it turns out that the problem isn't the output of the 360's pickups, but rather the amp's treble knob and the fact that I cranked it up so much to make up for the fact that I'm also using the neck pickup on the 360. Ya live and learn, hey?
I can get an okay sound on the 360 just using the bridge pickup and a variation on my Tele's amp settings, but I like the middle position sound better. So I think I'll still go down the compressor route, which will hopefully mean that I can keep the amp's "Ric" settings but just take the edge off the harsh pick-attack volume.
Howard: Yep, Teles are everywhere, and that's why I've felt like a change. So far I just can't find anything that suits my style and sound better though (as far as stage-sound goes). I bought the Maton MS502 with gigging in mind, but the humbucker sound just wasn't me; back to the old faithful Tele. Then I got the Gibson Firebird VII. Sounds great, looks awesome, but even the mini-humbuckers didn't cut through the mix enough for my liking; back to the old faithful Tele. But I'm still definitely going to give the 620 every chance when it arrives. If I'm getting paid to play the sound has to come before the looks though. I'm not saying my 360 sounds worse than my Tele though - just different and possibly not as appropriate for my band.
I have discovered the underlying cause of the problem I described in my first post. What I originally thought was a result of hot Ric pickups through a loud amp is instead the result of my amp's settings.
To explain further, when playing my Teles on the crunchy channel I usually use the bridge pickup only, with the amp's gain on 6, bass on 9, middle between 5 & 6, and treble between 5 & 6. When I got the Ric I spent a week experimenting with a million combinations of the guitar's and amp's settings, and unlike the Tele I ended up using both pickups on the 360, with the amp's gain on 5, bass on 9, middle on 3 and treble on 8. Something clicked with me yesterday and I tried my Tele with the same settings - that is, with the pickup selector in the middle position and with the amp's "Ric" settings as described just above. I cranked up the amp's volume and guess what? I had the same problem! That's where the "D'oh!!" happened. So it turns out that the problem isn't the output of the 360's pickups, but rather the amp's treble knob and the fact that I cranked it up so much to make up for the fact that I'm also using the neck pickup on the 360. Ya live and learn, hey?
I can get an okay sound on the 360 just using the bridge pickup and a variation on my Tele's amp settings, but I like the middle position sound better. So I think I'll still go down the compressor route, which will hopefully mean that I can keep the amp's "Ric" settings but just take the edge off the harsh pick-attack volume.
Howard: Yep, Teles are everywhere, and that's why I've felt like a change. So far I just can't find anything that suits my style and sound better though (as far as stage-sound goes). I bought the Maton MS502 with gigging in mind, but the humbucker sound just wasn't me; back to the old faithful Tele. Then I got the Gibson Firebird VII. Sounds great, looks awesome, but even the mini-humbuckers didn't cut through the mix enough for my liking; back to the old faithful Tele. But I'm still definitely going to give the 620 every chance when it arrives. If I'm getting paid to play the sound has to come before the looks though. I'm not saying my 360 sounds worse than my Tele though - just different and possibly not as appropriate for my band.
Comp-Nova T-Rex, Carl. I put this first so that others may pick up on it and offer an opinion. I went to my local tonight and they plugged in a Strat at one end and an awesome Bad Cat at the other. Very impressive!!
It's quite a small, unassuming green box but as a compressor it's got the goods, IMO. And it retains the original sound - no coloration. Hand made in Denmark by Comp-Nova and not very easy to get. $299 retail. I also listened to a Route-66 unit (same price) but it wasn't a patch on the T-Rex (again, IMO). I still like my Janglebox better, though. I'm going to drop in with it tomorrow night so they can try it out.
I do hope the 620 lives up to your hopes! The 620TQ is being shipped from Sydney tomorrow, so I should have it Monday or Tuesday. I'll then be able to compare it to my 350 with Hi-Gains and the 330 with toasters.
Cheers!
It's quite a small, unassuming green box but as a compressor it's got the goods, IMO. And it retains the original sound - no coloration. Hand made in Denmark by Comp-Nova and not very easy to get. $299 retail. I also listened to a Route-66 unit (same price) but it wasn't a patch on the T-Rex (again, IMO). I still like my Janglebox better, though. I'm going to drop in with it tomorrow night so they can try it out.
I do hope the 620 lives up to your hopes! The 620TQ is being shipped from Sydney tomorrow, so I should have it Monday or Tuesday. I'll then be able to compare it to my 350 with Hi-Gains and the 330 with toasters.
Cheers!
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Howard - Holy Exchange Rates, Batman! (Or, I guess that's "batsman" there in Oz, right? 
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I'm just amazed that you said a Route 66 pedal retails for $299 there. Is that your "list" price or regular discount retail price? Either way, I'm kind of astounded... I haven't looked at our various "usual" discount websites lately, so I don't know what they sell for these days. But I got a slightly used Route 66 (plus an additional $25) from a guy in trade for my old Barber Direct Drive pedal.
Something tells me I could come to Australia on vacation with a couple bags of various gear to sell there and be able to help finance the trip. Is that a realistic idea or not?
). I'm just amazed that you said a Route 66 pedal retails for $299 there. Is that your "list" price or regular discount retail price? Either way, I'm kind of astounded... I haven't looked at our various "usual" discount websites lately, so I don't know what they sell for these days. But I got a slightly used Route 66 (plus an additional $25) from a guy in trade for my old Barber Direct Drive pedal.
Something tells me I could come to Australia on vacation with a couple bags of various gear to sell there and be able to help finance the trip. Is that a realistic idea or not?
It's primarily the import tariffs that push the retail prices up there, if Australia's anything like New Zealand in this regard...Kiwi's have to pay a minimum 100% duty on any imported electronic gear. You might find that Aussie Customs officials would like to see those bags on your way out, and if they're not as full as when you arrived, they'll want (as they say) a 'word' with you...
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Oh, I forgot this part...
Carl, in terms of getting the tone you want out of your 360 like you're getting with your Tele settings (on your amp), I'd suggest leaving the amp settings alone and try this on your 360:
Slightly reduce the tone level on the neck pickup, and move the 5th knob counterclockwise a bit to favor the neck pickup more.
I'm just thinking here, but since you're using the Rick in the middle switch position and it's too "trebly" with your present amp settings, I think if you leave the amp alone and adjust the Rick knobs you might get a tone out of the Rick that's pretty much the same as your preferred Tele tone.
But I'm just guessing at possibilities here. Just don't want you to give up on the 360 yet, and the new 620 isn't going to be all that different, IMO.
Believe me, I mostly play Fenders and Gibsons and they ALL require slightly different amp settings. But I've also found that I can keep pretty much the same amp settings (with slight changes) when switching to a different guitar - whether it's a Strat, Tele, LP Standard, LP Special w/P90's, or the Rick.
Of course the style of pickups and what amp matters too, but I haven't had much trouble getting decent tones I want from any combination of guitar and amp. Fwiw, my amps are: '79 Fender VibroChamp; '74 Fender Princeton Reverb; and a '97 Fender Hot Rod Deluxe.
Just saying everything's different and it's just a matter of working with what you've got, and usually only a slight adjustment can get you the tone you want. You've just got to play around to find the sound that's in there.
Carl, in terms of getting the tone you want out of your 360 like you're getting with your Tele settings (on your amp), I'd suggest leaving the amp settings alone and try this on your 360:
Slightly reduce the tone level on the neck pickup, and move the 5th knob counterclockwise a bit to favor the neck pickup more.
I'm just thinking here, but since you're using the Rick in the middle switch position and it's too "trebly" with your present amp settings, I think if you leave the amp alone and adjust the Rick knobs you might get a tone out of the Rick that's pretty much the same as your preferred Tele tone.
But I'm just guessing at possibilities here. Just don't want you to give up on the 360 yet, and the new 620 isn't going to be all that different, IMO.
Believe me, I mostly play Fenders and Gibsons and they ALL require slightly different amp settings. But I've also found that I can keep pretty much the same amp settings (with slight changes) when switching to a different guitar - whether it's a Strat, Tele, LP Standard, LP Special w/P90's, or the Rick.
Of course the style of pickups and what amp matters too, but I haven't had much trouble getting decent tones I want from any combination of guitar and amp. Fwiw, my amps are: '79 Fender VibroChamp; '74 Fender Princeton Reverb; and a '97 Fender Hot Rod Deluxe.
Just saying everything's different and it's just a matter of working with what you've got, and usually only a slight adjustment can get you the tone you want. You've just got to play around to find the sound that's in there.
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Thanks for the info, Dane!
Actually, I was halfway kidding about financing a trip by selling off pedals or whatever else I might bring. And yeah, I know that import tariff stuff has got to be a complete drag for everyone involved. I was just kind of inspired by the guy who mentioned taking a Rick to Japan.
I was just kind of thinking how a friend spent 6 months all over Europe and he paid for (or traded for) a LOT of cool stuff because he took a lot of Levis' jeans and American t-shirts to barter with.
Of course, that was circa 1975 and times have changed now.
One of these days when I'm rich, my wife and I definitely WILL be visiting New Zealand, Australia, and England. Japan too. Those are the first places on my list, maybe more to be added later.
Actually, I was halfway kidding about financing a trip by selling off pedals or whatever else I might bring. And yeah, I know that import tariff stuff has got to be a complete drag for everyone involved. I was just kind of inspired by the guy who mentioned taking a Rick to Japan.
I was just kind of thinking how a friend spent 6 months all over Europe and he paid for (or traded for) a LOT of cool stuff because he took a lot of Levis' jeans and American t-shirts to barter with.
Of course, that was circa 1975 and times have changed now.
One of these days when I'm rich, my wife and I definitely WILL be visiting New Zealand, Australia, and England. Japan too. Those are the first places on my list, maybe more to be added later.
What a wonderful world it would be if one could finance one's travels by selling stuff to folks who need it without government interference...
In the N.Z. airports, as you deplane and walk towards Customs, you'll pass by a rather unassuming trash can labelled "Amnesty Bin"...it's at this moment that you're supposed to rethink those items on your person that are forbidden, and deposit them, free from legal consequences...
I've always wondered what kind of wild parties those Customs boys must throw on a Saturday night when they examine the weekly 'take'...they look all nice and square in their shorts, knee socks and little blue sweaters, but they don't fool me...
In the N.Z. airports, as you deplane and walk towards Customs, you'll pass by a rather unassuming trash can labelled "Amnesty Bin"...it's at this moment that you're supposed to rethink those items on your person that are forbidden, and deposit them, free from legal consequences...
I've always wondered what kind of wild parties those Customs boys must throw on a Saturday night when they examine the weekly 'take'...they look all nice and square in their shorts, knee socks and little blue sweaters, but they don't fool me...
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Oh man, that "Amnesty Bin" scenario cracks me up - as does the mental picture of the "keepers" in shorts, knee socks and blue sweaters...
Hey, when I think of that kind of similar apparel, I'm mostly remembering the private school girls I was too shy to talk to 35+ years ago. LOL
But really, what good does an "Amnesty Bin" do at the end of a flight? Shouldn't anything illegal been confiscated at the BEGINNING of a flight?
Reminds me of the time I came back (driving) to the States from a couple weeks in Canada. This was in the early 70's or maybe late '60's...
The US Customs guy asked if I had anything to declare and I said "no" because I had the impression that there was some kind of minimum $ limit on foreign purchases before stuff had to be declared.
Well, this US agent got irate and says something like "You mean to tell me you spent two weeks in Canada and you didn't buy anything during that time that's in your car right now?"
I said the only things I bought were two paperback books and a poster, and let him search the car. He "hrrrmmmphed off" obviously disappointed he couldn't bust a long haired hippie coming home. LOL
These days it's different though. I've flown a few times since 9/11 and it's weird, but I don't mind the ordeal. The only time that I found strange was when I went to an airport and had to take off my shoes and belt, empty my pockets, etc., to get checked out *just to be there to pick up a friend*!
No problem - better safe than sorry...
Hey, when I think of that kind of similar apparel, I'm mostly remembering the private school girls I was too shy to talk to 35+ years ago. LOL
But really, what good does an "Amnesty Bin" do at the end of a flight? Shouldn't anything illegal been confiscated at the BEGINNING of a flight?
Reminds me of the time I came back (driving) to the States from a couple weeks in Canada. This was in the early 70's or maybe late '60's...
The US Customs guy asked if I had anything to declare and I said "no" because I had the impression that there was some kind of minimum $ limit on foreign purchases before stuff had to be declared.
Well, this US agent got irate and says something like "You mean to tell me you spent two weeks in Canada and you didn't buy anything during that time that's in your car right now?"
I said the only things I bought were two paperback books and a poster, and let him search the car. He "hrrrmmmphed off" obviously disappointed he couldn't bust a long haired hippie coming home. LOL
These days it's different though. I've flown a few times since 9/11 and it's weird, but I don't mind the ordeal. The only time that I found strange was when I went to an airport and had to take off my shoes and belt, empty my pockets, etc., to get checked out *just to be there to pick up a friend*!
No problem - better safe than sorry...