Timeless Flight - The Sequel

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Hey, does anyone else here really like Crosby's 1971 solo album "If I Could Only Remember My Name"? I love that album!
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"Hey, does anyone else here really like Crosby's 1971 solo album "If I Could Only Remember My Name"? I love that album!"

Oh, man, don't get me going on This one! Likely my favorite single LP of the last 30+ years.
I saw Croz and CPR a year ago, and they did cut #1 and #3 off that album.Too much!!All the instruments, electric and acoustic, have a Perfect tonality to them, especially Phil Lesh on bass.The tone, texture, and depth of sound is just so cool to listen to[especially on headphones].
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I also always liked this (back then) and picked it up on CD (and have listened to it a couple of times).

I also saw him quite a few times solo before he slipped into the abyss and I suspect he was doing tracks from this.

He certainly assembled a great collection of players and the record sounded unlike anything else that was happening at the time (sonically).
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>> especially Phil Lesh on bass.

Yeah, he's good, and Jack Cassady of the Jefferson Airplane plays bass on there too. Jerry Garcia and Neil Young have some funky guitar grooves on there as well. Does anybody here know the exact break-down of who plays what on Crosby's first solo album? I don't remember ever seeing credits, other than all those pictures on the inside of the record.

Joni Mitchell sings a part near the end of the song "Laughing". That's a great song. The version on Crosby's album is very good, but the version on the Byrds (1973) reunion album is even better! The dramatic pauses in between each verse adds a lot depth, tension, and then release. The Rickenbacker 12-string sounds awesome too.
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Does anybody here know the exact break-down of who plays what on Crosby's first solo album? I don't remember ever seeing credits, other than all those pictures on the inside of the record.

Go to www.crosbycpr.com
Somewhere there, I think in the index on the left side, there is a link to IICORMN[the album title abbreviated]and the producer, Stephen Barncard runs down Everything you always wondered about this recording!!Very cool, and informative!!
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Thanks man! That helped. Jorma plays a lot on there too. Cool.
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What a cool link!

I spent a while there yesterday reading about the vinyl re-issue. Made me think about seeking out a new stereo system to play vinyl again. I still own a turntable and a pretty good component system, but when I moved here, I decided to get a tiny Sony "desktop" system because it "fit" better in my new place.

As often as I listen to music at home, having a limited number of expensive vinyl releases might be cool.

The detailed track info on IICORMN was an interesting read.
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Vinyl is cool to listen to. Some things sound great on record, and some things transfer better to disc than others. I like to listen to albums exactly how people would've heard them when they were released, and then compare them to the various digital versions we have now. The Santana album "Abraxas" is great to play on vinyl! Some vinyl records just sound more life-like than the remastered digital versions. Some do not, but it just depends. The mixes are different. The Byrds mono mixes sound neat too. I have the first three Byrds albums in Mono. Well, wait, I just checked, and I have their first album in Stereo, but Turn! Turn! Turn! and Fifth Dimension are in Mono. I also have a Turn! Turn! Turn! in "Stereo", but it looks like this record might've been a reprint from a few years later (the sound on it is pretty good though). My mono Turn! Turn! Turn! is an original though. I've got two vinyl copies of Notorious Byrd Brothers in Stereo, and a copy of Sweetheart of the Rodeo in Stereo. I have some of the later Byrds records on vinyl too. There's a CBS stamped "Radio Copy" of the "Untitled" 2-record set, a copy of "Preflyte" on Together Records, and the Reunion album Byrds (1973).

Nevertheless, the Byrds complete remastered CD collection is really Great to have too! They put all those great bonus tracks on there, so you end up having to buy them all! The Byrds first six albums should be in every collection of great 60s music! The rest of their albums are pretty good too. "Byrdmaniax" is probably the only Byrds album that I don't much care for. It has a few good cuts though. "Dr Byrds" is kinda neat, and I like "Farther Along" too. Having every remastered album really makes the Byrds box set obsolete. I don't need the box set, but I do have the CD "20 Essential Tracks from the Box Set" (for the four songs McGuinn, Crosby, and Hillman did in the 1990s). The mix of Mr. Tambourine man on that disc is really neat too. Does anyone else agree? Other than that, the more recently remastered discs of each Byrds album seem much better than the box set and contain more unreleased material. Does anyone else agree with me? Are there any other particular mixes that you like better on the box than the remastered discs (and visa versa)? Which songs do you think really shine on the remasters? How about particular vinyl versions of songs that sound good on the right audio set-up? How would you rate the vinyl versions on "Never Before" with the remastered versions?
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I've been thinking of picking up the new/individual remixed cd releases. I only have the 4 disc box and Notorious on cd. I forget what I had on vinyl - but ALL the vinyl was sold in a garage sale around the time of my divorce some 10 years ago or so.
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>> I've been thinking of picking up the
>> new/individual remixed cd releases.

Do it! You won't be sorry! At least get the first six Byrds albums remastered: Mr. Tambourine Man, Turn! Turn! Turn!, Fifth Dimension, Younger Than Yesterday, Notorious Byrd Brothers, and Sweetheart of the Rodeo. That should give you an idea of the quality of the CD remasters. The album Fifth Dimension is SO MUCH better remastered, the bonus tracks really help this album shine. The mix on Younger Than Yesterday is crystal clear, as is Notorious Byrd Brothers. Bonus tracks really help! There are secret tracks at the end of the remastered CDs too. At the end of Fifth Dimension, there's a cool radio interview with Roger McGuinn and David Crosby from the time of the albums 1965 release. It's pretty frickin' cool! Do they sound stoned? At the end of Notorious Byrd Brothers, there's a session where Crosby is just totally dissing Michael Clarke because of Michael's trouble at playing "Dolphin's Smile". You get an idea of how sassy Crosby could be during that time. The secret track at the end of Younger Than Yesterday is an instrumental version of Mind Gardens. It's definitely worth checking the remastered discs out. Good digital sound quality, and the best collection of previously unreleased or harder-to-find tracks available.
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Lee: "Nevertheless, the Byrds complete remastered CD collection is really Great to have too! They put all those great bonus tracks on there, so you end up having to buy them all! "

I believe that some reissue label (Sundazed?) has actually put out 3 or 4 vinyl LP's which include the bonus tracks from the recent CD remasters/reissues, so you can buy them instead of the new CD's if you're that much of a vinyl junkie ...
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Do these new vinyls even contain the hidden tracks at the end of the Byrds remastered CDs? If they contain the bonus tracks, then these would have to be double albums. The price of new vinyl is ridiculously expensive anyway. Forget that! Why pay a lot of money for something that's cheaper on CD... Heck, the CDs probably last longer, and you don't have to worry about playing them out. If I get any vinyl, I get old *** vinyl. Some of it is in great shape, and the going price is low! This weekend I picked up a whole stack of Carole King records for 2 dollars! Most of them had rarely been played. That's what I'm into, good old fashioned deals! I got all the Byrds remastered on disc, I don't need it on these new expensive vinyls. One Byrds remastered release that would be cool to have on vinyl for the sake of collecting would be "Sanctuary". It's just the album "Younger Than Yesterday" with the alternate title, but they only printed a limited number of these and the alternate name is cool.

I like to listen to vinyl from back in the day. That gives me a sense of how things sounded to the people who were listening then. Sometimes, it seems that the speeds on records tend to make people's voices sound higher (at the beginnings of records particularly). Perhaps this is do to the fact that the outside of the record is moving faster than the inside. Speed and sound corrections on CDs allow us to hear the music more of how it probably sounded on the Master Tapes (though with re-mixing into digital format). There's no doubt in my mind that some of the sounds on original vinyl can be very good if you have the right system. Some of the mixes are better, some are not. The mixes are usually different, at the very least. It's always neat to compare them with the remastered discs. Some of those remastered discs sound pretty darn smooth though, and, right now, the ease and mobility of the digital format can't be beat. I'll stick with the remastered CDs, I don't need the new vinyl.
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I love all the re-issued CD ... great stuff .

I need to go get the Live CD , that was very good . Don Adamek was here , just after it came out ... what a joy to hear those guys . Clarence is a missed player.
So you too want yours "ALAPWOB"?!?!
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Holy Smokes! My copy of TIMELESS FLIGHT REVISITED - THE SEQUEL just arrived (what prompted this initial thread in the first place).

This book is massive!

2.375" thick (or should I say approx. 60mm - since it shipped, brand new from the UK aka: England for you Colonials... ;-)

Who knew there was this much stuff to say about Roger and company...

(also, separately, my REUNION cd - pressed in Holland)
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