Since I'm so proud of my refinish, I would like to share a few shots of my 325v63. The neck was gooey and I could peel it with a guitar pick.. the body had finish cracks starting everywhere a screw hole was drilled. It's a 1989.
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b59/paulv63/rick_done2005.jpg
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b59/paulv63/bkgnd.jpg
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b59/paulv63/strippedfront.jpg
My Refinished 325v63
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Paul did a heck of a job. Apparently his guitar was hurting, having experienced some weird environmental thing that turned the JG all sticky.
Paul, this was done with spray cans, wasn't it?
The results are stunning and something t be proud of.
Paul, this was done with spray cans, wasn't it?
The results are stunning and something t be proud of.
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Ben, I want Paul to do the describing of his project in greater detail than he has. That's his job, not up to me or anyone else. I'm just one cheerleader.
He learned a lot on this one, and I would like him to share his experiences with us...
He learned a lot on this one, and I would like him to share his experiences with us...
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And there ya go. Now see my most recent post under "Sunburst Finishes" in my "Reflections of a Curmudgeon" section on the Forum, for some advice on working with spray cans, and why I gently discouraged Paul from doing same, when we corresponded a couple of months ago on this topic.
Note that he stripped his fretboard, but elected NOT to recoat it. The clearcoat he used was Stew Mac's nitro clear, and this stuff would not stand up to use on a fretboard for a long time, and would not have the typical Rickenbacker clear varnished fretboard look. So he lemon-oiled it. Maybe not original, but a good bet to keep it looking good.
Bit of unsolicited advice on this one: Lemon oil has been known to soften nitrocellulose lacquer, so go easy on the future applications and wipe it off the guitar's clearcoat immediately, should any get on there.
My views on spray cans have not changed, of course, but to Paul's credit he followed his own star on this one.
Note that he stripped his fretboard, but elected NOT to recoat it. The clearcoat he used was Stew Mac's nitro clear, and this stuff would not stand up to use on a fretboard for a long time, and would not have the typical Rickenbacker clear varnished fretboard look. So he lemon-oiled it. Maybe not original, but a good bet to keep it looking good.
Bit of unsolicited advice on this one: Lemon oil has been known to soften nitrocellulose lacquer, so go easy on the future applications and wipe it off the guitar's clearcoat immediately, should any get on there.
My views on spray cans have not changed, of course, but to Paul's credit he followed his own star on this one.
“I say in speeches that a plausible mission of artists is to make people appreciate being alive at least a little bit. I am then asked if I know of any artists who pulled that off. I reply, 'The Beatles did.”
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Not their brands (Behlen or Color Tone) specifically. Why do you ask?
I would not be too surprised if most nitro clears are nearly identical chemically, with labels on the cans being the only difference.
Note that I haven't analyzed either chemically. But the nose knows a lot. StewMac sells Behlen's nitro, which is a great product. But they also promote ColorTone water-based lacquers, which I wouldn't give ten cents for, personally.
(Next time you see a car from the early '80s through roughly mid-'90s, depending upon manufacturer, with what looks like a rash on its horizontal surfaces, you can thank the waterbased clearcoats that they were experimenting with back then.)
Like I mentioned before, Paul, with nitro clearcoat, your guitar will give you years of beautiful like-new appearance, as long as it is cared for. But a company like Rickenbacker, who makes thousands of instruments per year, MUST use the most durable clearcoat they can find that meets California VOC standards, or risk returns due to failed finishes, because they really must plan on the worst possible treatment in order to ensure max durability.
I would not be too surprised if most nitro clears are nearly identical chemically, with labels on the cans being the only difference.
Note that I haven't analyzed either chemically. But the nose knows a lot. StewMac sells Behlen's nitro, which is a great product. But they also promote ColorTone water-based lacquers, which I wouldn't give ten cents for, personally.
(Next time you see a car from the early '80s through roughly mid-'90s, depending upon manufacturer, with what looks like a rash on its horizontal surfaces, you can thank the waterbased clearcoats that they were experimenting with back then.)
Like I mentioned before, Paul, with nitro clearcoat, your guitar will give you years of beautiful like-new appearance, as long as it is cared for. But a company like Rickenbacker, who makes thousands of instruments per year, MUST use the most durable clearcoat they can find that meets California VOC standards, or risk returns due to failed finishes, because they really must plan on the worst possible treatment in order to ensure max durability.
“I say in speeches that a plausible mission of artists is to make people appreciate being alive at least a little bit. I am then asked if I know of any artists who pulled that off. I reply, 'The Beatles did.”
― Kurt Vonnegut
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I don't think the finish problem was from the environment... I do think it was a factory problem. I've never cleaned the guitar with anything but meguires. I wanted a vintage look to the fretboard, that is why I didn't shoot it with laquer. I asked if you used the Colortone (Stewmac)laquer because you are knowledgable about this stuff. Now that all is said and done, I can't see a quality difference between my guitar and my friend's jetglo bass. Go figure.
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As I stated in my congratulatory post, you did a terrific job!
I meant no negative criticism whatsoever, Paul. I choose my words carefully, but it remains difficult to convey the full impact, not to mention, nuance, of language, in print.
I understand why you didn't shoot it with lacquer--I've saved our e-mail correspondence on this matter, and I suggested lemon oil as a way to liven up the fretboard grain without using lacquer on the 'board, as you will recall, Paul.
StewMac sells TWO clear lacquers--the Behlens, which is a nitrocellulose, and the Color Tone, which is the water-based. Your question was about "StewMac's nitro clear". That would be the Behlen's, not the Color Tone.
If you used the Color Tone mazel tov!, that's even better, and the photos show the exemplary work you did. But it is not "nitro"!
My opinion of Color Tone remains the same. I would never use it. But you did, thinking it was nitro, and got great results.
So, my friend we had a mis-communication, based upon your thinking that Color-Tone was nitrocellulose lacquer. It's not.
Reminds me of our first communication, when you approached me by e-mail and asked for advice on the refin, and I gave you very long, detailed instructions on how to refinish your guitar using professional materials sprayed through a spray-gun.
You responded that you planned on using spray cans.
Again, I am here to help, not to set up roadblocks or to act as judge and jury on your results, which, I'll say it again, are excellent judging from the pictures which you have posted.
But I need all the information, not just dribs and drabs, in order to give useful advice.
Comgratulations, Paul!
I meant no negative criticism whatsoever, Paul. I choose my words carefully, but it remains difficult to convey the full impact, not to mention, nuance, of language, in print.
I understand why you didn't shoot it with lacquer--I've saved our e-mail correspondence on this matter, and I suggested lemon oil as a way to liven up the fretboard grain without using lacquer on the 'board, as you will recall, Paul.
StewMac sells TWO clear lacquers--the Behlens, which is a nitrocellulose, and the Color Tone, which is the water-based. Your question was about "StewMac's nitro clear". That would be the Behlen's, not the Color Tone.
If you used the Color Tone mazel tov!, that's even better, and the photos show the exemplary work you did. But it is not "nitro"!
My opinion of Color Tone remains the same. I would never use it. But you did, thinking it was nitro, and got great results.
So, my friend we had a mis-communication, based upon your thinking that Color-Tone was nitrocellulose lacquer. It's not.
Reminds me of our first communication, when you approached me by e-mail and asked for advice on the refin, and I gave you very long, detailed instructions on how to refinish your guitar using professional materials sprayed through a spray-gun.
You responded that you planned on using spray cans.
Again, I am here to help, not to set up roadblocks or to act as judge and jury on your results, which, I'll say it again, are excellent judging from the pictures which you have posted.
But I need all the information, not just dribs and drabs, in order to give useful advice.
Comgratulations, Paul!
“I say in speeches that a plausible mission of artists is to make people appreciate being alive at least a little bit. I am then asked if I know of any artists who pulled that off. I reply, 'The Beatles did.”
― Kurt Vonnegut
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So, my friend we had a mis-communication, based upon your thinking that Color-Tone was nitrocellulose lacquer. It's not.>>
Tell them...
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b59/paulv63/nitrocan.jpg
Tell them...
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b59/paulv63/nitrocan.jpg
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Sorry guys. I wasn't thinking when I read the post, and didn't realize the ORIGINAL poster was also named Paul. Thus, when Paul W. posted his compliments I thought he was actually talking about work HE did and trying to be coy. Instead I came out looking stupid. That is what you get for watching football (Go Colts) and posting online!
"Here he is, come to pay homage to the Rickenbacker display!" (Said to me by owner Bruce at the "Great House of Guitars" in Rochester, NY)
Colts looked prety good Ben! I was pretty stoked for my Niners today.
That refinishing stuff sounds like alot of tedious work for patient people. My compliments to those who are able to do that kind of work. As for me. I take my stuff to John Bolin of Bolin Guitars. I much more suited to having someone else do it for me. It saves my furniture and walls from flying debris.
That refinishing stuff sounds like alot of tedious work for patient people. My compliments to those who are able to do that kind of work. As for me. I take my stuff to John Bolin of Bolin Guitars. I much more suited to having someone else do it for me. It saves my furniture and walls from flying debris.
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Whoops! My mistake. I'm looking at a quart can of Color Tone, which clearly says "water base" on it. You're right, the spray cans are nitrocellulose.
So, what did I say to offend you, except, "excellent work", "great job","mazel tov", "congratulations", etc.?
Whoops! My mistake. I'm looking at a quart can of Color Tone, which clearly says "water base" on it. You're right, the spray cans are nitrocellulose.
So, what did I say to offend you, except, "excellent work", "great job","mazel tov", "congratulations", etc.?
“I say in speeches that a plausible mission of artists is to make people appreciate being alive at least a little bit. I am then asked if I know of any artists who pulled that off. I reply, 'The Beatles did.”
― Kurt Vonnegut
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