Paul McCartney "Chaos And Creation"

ken_swearingen · Post by **ken_swearingen** » Fri Sep 16, 2005 10:17 am

This is not the Beatles forum section ,this is the Rickenbacker bass forum section we discus Rickenbacker bass guitars here! Not Paul McCartney Cd's and alternative rock....go to other sections in this Forum for that.

wayang · Post by **wayang** » Fri Sep 16, 2005 10:24 am

And stop tracking mud all over my nice clean kitchen floor!

ken_j · Post by **ken_j** » Fri Sep 16, 2005 10:37 am

A review by Andy Gill summarizes with this:
"Frankly, if this is what happens when McCartney quits smoking dope, he might be best advised to bear Bill Hicks' observation in mind, and fire up a fat one at the first opportunity.

wayang · Post by **wayang** » Fri Sep 16, 2005 10:52 am

I couldn't have said it better myself...wait, I think I did say it myself...

heavypet · Post by **heavypet** » Fri Sep 16, 2005 11:01 am

Expomick wrote:
"Speaking of old, Bowie appeared on stage with Arcade Fire. Time for the new blood to replace the old."

Except that I have the latest Bowie and the Arcade Fire. the Arcade Fire is almost entirely tedious (save perhaps Neighborhood#3 and Rebellion(Lies)). The Bowie is also not a clear winner, but it does have the fabulous Never Get Old. What's more, i caught the live tour, and it just may have been the best of his that i've seen to-date. Rocked very hard.

Oh right, Macca thread! i like paul. haven't heard the new album yet though.

revolver323 · Post by **revolver323** » Fri Sep 16, 2005 11:16 am

What kind of Ric bass isn't Paul using? (Trying to get back on track.)

admin · Post by **admin** » Sat Sep 17, 2005 8:59 am

You will notice this thread has been moved to the Beatles' section, it could have also been placed in The Others section. Based on a number of comments I actually had another place in mind.

There was no ideal place to intervene here, so apologies for those who felt their posts discussing McCartney's work should have stayed.

Just in passing, a great title for this thread, but you already knew that.

brammy · Post by **brammy** » Sat Sep 17, 2005 10:30 am

I havent heard it yet.... but aint it getting some good reviews generally?

simer4001 · Post by **simer4001** » Sat Sep 17, 2005 2:04 pm

Except here Kent. But I am enjoying it.

brammy · Post by **brammy** » Sat Sep 17, 2005 7:53 pm

I've now listened to a few.... what the HELL is going on in the song "Anyway" anyway? Its like Paul takes a mediocre forgettable song and half way through suddenly decides to totally destroy it by going off the deep end. Is this the "chaos" he was referring to? Fuggedaboudit.... I hear enough of that stuff when the garbage truck comes by to do its thing.

beefandbones · Post by **beefandbones** » Sun Sep 18, 2005 8:32 am

Incidentally, notice the similarity of bass tone between "You Never Give Me Your Money" on Abbey Road and "This Never Happened Before" on the new one. Was is the Jazz on YNGMYM, as many suspect, or... the Hofner? Also, I think the new album gives further creedence to the theory that 'I Want You (She's So Heavy)' was done with the Hofner... He does some work on the upper fretboard on the new album, and it sounds very familiar!

(I think it's TNHB, anyway - I don't have the CD with me here at work. It's one o' them songs toward the end of the album at any rate.)

revolver323 · Post by **revolver323** » Sun Sep 18, 2005 12:32 pm

There's been lots of discussion here on which bass Macca used on Abbey, and the consensus is the Hofner, which would explain why you think the tones are similar to Chaos,on which he used the Hofner exclusively.

beefandbones · Post by **beefandbones** » Sun Sep 18, 2005 1:32 pm

Hmmm... I wouldn't say there's a consensus is that it's the Hofner on Abbey Road. It's the Hofner some of the time, sure, but there's been quite some discussion about which tracks feature which bass. His Rick is definitely on Here Comes the Sun, and possibly others.

Many people seems to think he used the Jazz a lot on Abbey Road, and I tend to disagree, which is why I posted the above. I have a Hofner bass myself, and I think it's much more versatile than people realize.

In the Abbey Road Bass Tones threads around here, I'm usually one of the biggest Hofner boosters, and it looks like you and I agree that the Hofner saw a lot of use on Abbey Road. Now, if we can just bring the others around...

Anyway, I didn't intend to hijack the Choas and Creation thread and turn it into a discussion of Abbey Road bass tones... or did I?

admin · Post by **admin** » Mon Sep 19, 2005 4:34 am

I have now heard the complete CD and listened to it twice. To be very frank and perhaps too categorical, I consider that this release is destined for the dust bin. It may sell, but I cannot imagine that it will be a success. I wonder how many listeners will want to sing the songs and then take the time to learn them.

I will give Paul full marks on Jenny Wren which is most reminiscent of Blackbird, having a simple guitar and a strong melody. The rest of the CD is peculiar in terms of its melody, however, at least in reference to vintage McCartney as a Beatle, Wings' member and solo artist. There are no rockers that ring out and, from my perspective, it is limited to a single gem that is tarnished by the overall setting.

While some passages from this album may survive to be played in commercials or biographies of McCartney, perhaps even as a television show theme, they are not tuneful to my ear and will not be classics.

As poetry, this work may shed light on Paul's reflections at this stage of his life. The music is somber and dissonant in places and for me has the potential to ruin a sunny day and contribute to despair on a cloudy one. The chaos here may be one of mood.

These comments are not easy to write as I am a fan of McCartney. I will listen to this work at least once more before I file it away. Jenny Wren will go on my hard drive and I will learn it to perform on some occasion as it is a simple moving track that reminds us of the genius of McCartney. It is reminds the listener of creation.

I really hope Paul releases another CD. The twinkle in his eye and the bounce in his step is missing on this one. Surely this would not be the one to go out on.

petevent · Post by **petevent** » Mon Sep 19, 2005 5:13 am

I agree totally.

I like Fine Line. Nice hook. But the rest of the album actually lulled me to sleep in my recliner.

I wish Paul would have written a couple of catchy upbeat rockers for those of us who like to tap our feet or bob our heads to many of his previous hits.

I too hope he releases another CD and "Get's Back" to rock and roll.