Paul McCartney "Chaos And Creation"

shamustwin · Post by **shamustwin** » Thu Sep 22, 2005 9:46 am

http://www.macca-central.com/macca-news/morenews.cfm?ID=1859

jwilli · Post by **jwilli** » Thu Sep 22, 2005 2:04 pm

I find myself listening to songs on this album over & over. "Anyway" is a nice song too. The second part of the song(?) kind of doesn't belong there but oh well. After hearing a couple of tracks on the internet early on, I actually told my wife that I didn't think that I'd by the album. She looked at me like I was crazy, ha ha. I am happy that I bought it and can't quit playing it.

revolver323 · Post by **revolver323** » Thu Sep 22, 2005 4:08 pm

Debuting at No. 6 on Billboard? Not bad for an egotistical walking cadaver who lost his talent and sold his soul years ago.

glass_onion · Post by **glass_onion** » Thu Sep 22, 2005 6:54 pm

i was hoping that with radiohead's producer, macca might have made a Kid A type of record...oh well its still good.

wayang · Post by **wayang** » Fri Sep 23, 2005 7:26 am

As you point out, Dave, losing your talent and selling your soul are not even minor stumbling blocks to success in today's modern Music Industry...

simer4001 · Post by **simer4001** » Fri Sep 23, 2005 11:29 am

Dane and Dave,

Thank God for egotistical walking cadavers who lost his talent and soul years ago. I can't wait to see this has beens concert. I wish my best stuff sounded as good as his **** that he makes now.

The 60's are over lads...time to move on. Live in the now!

revolver323 · Post by **revolver323** » Fri Sep 23, 2005 12:50 pm

Brian: I didn't think it necessary to add the word SARCASM as a preface to some of my posts, but I see I erred in this assumption. What I think of Paul is abundantly clear from what I've said here previously. Dane, you have problems. --NOT SARCASM-- Not cutting your hair "till we achieve world peace" is a statement, but it would have more impact if you tattooed "LETTING HAIR GROW TILL WE ACHIEVE WORLD PEACE" on your forehead. Otherwise you look like just another guy with long hair. Maybe you do more. I don't know. I don't care. But whatever you do/did or didn't/don't do doesn't impact my life 1/1,000,000th as much as McCartney did and will continue to do. Resume your line of "reasoning" if you must. I'm through with this particular bit of nonsense.

simer4001 · Post by **simer4001** » Fri Sep 23, 2005 3:20 pm

Dave, I was sarcastic as well. Sorry I didn't get that across. That is why I put the annoying little happy face up there.

(Damn...there he is again)!

I've always given Paul the benefit of the doubt. As I mentioned, I don't expect Abbey Road from him again. If I did...Abbey Road wouldn't mean as much as it does. I think it is difficult to compare eras, but I think if you took indivdual songs and compared them to more recent material I think the album stacks up nicely.

harley · Post by **harley** » Fri Sep 23, 2005 3:35 pm

I'm still not certain how I will eventually view this new CD by "our Paulie". I've listened to it several times both as foreground and background music. I like the overall sound of the CD, but there's no immediate "grabber" of a song - one that gets into my head lyrically or musically or both and stays there.

My favorite of the post-Beatle McCartney albums is Band On The Run. That album had several songs that "grew on me" but also a couple that were memorable right out of the gate. I can't say that I like one set of those better than the others all these years later. To this point, most of the new CD is in the "grow on me" category.

I'm not sure that the lack of immediacy is an artisitic failing, though. A song that takes longer to appreciate still ends up being appreciated. It's a question of how much time you're willing to devote to the process. It's also a reflection of the fact that I'm older, have a larger frame of reference and have more music available to me to choose from than ever before.

Eventually, I think this will be a good album but not a great one, better than Wild Life or McCartney II but not as strong as Band On The Run or Ram.

YMMV (but if it does it means you're wrong, wrong, wrong)

expomick · Post by **expomick** » Fri Sep 23, 2005 6:13 pm

Love the Ram album, even if some of the songs go on and on and on. Hey, with that catchy of a hook, who wouldn't want to play it forever?

shamustwin · Post by **shamustwin** » Sat Sep 24, 2005 12:28 pm

I find myself playing and liking songs now, that as a kid, I would routinely skip over (Kind Woman by Buffalo Springfield as an example). As was pointed out so wisely in the George Carlin portion of one of the Macca threads (whew!), it's a matter of syncing up to where the artist is, and vice versa.

scottpro1969 · Post by **scottpro1969** » Sat Sep 24, 2005 3:22 pm

Ok, I said earlier in this thread that I thought the album was a disappointment but now that I've listened to it several times, it is REALLY growing on me. After I got over the fact that there isn't any really rocking songs here, I listened to what was actually THERE. And it's really good music.

I think I have to accept the fact that Paul is almost 64 years old and the days of making really rocking records are gone. I believe that he is not trying to impress any record label or fan anymore. With age he has mellowed and is now expressing inner thoughts and feelings in song that he just couldn't do years ago, that's a natural progression of life when you get older and reflect, especially with the losses he's been through. So, that being said, I have taken a different "ear" to this disc. I like what I hear now. It's a great disc. Of course, my opinion.

Give it another listen and keep in mind that he's 63 yrs old!!! Give him a break. Now if you want to discuss the "sell out" of his promotions, I won't argue there. He screamed when Michael Jackson used Beatles songs in commercials but now he's selling not only his song but his person...his history. That I have a problem with but, who am I.

scottpro1969 · Post by **scottpro1969** » Sat Sep 24, 2005 3:32 pm

Re-reading my last post I think I made it sound like Paul does what Paul does and it doesn't matter what anyone thinks....it's a priviledge to have a new record from the great Sir Paul McCartney, that was not the point I was trying to make.

I believe he was really trying to make a GREAT record. He even admitted that in interviews about this record. He cared about the quality of music. But, I think he was saying that because he knew that he had put out music in the past just to get "something" out there. This record was personal to him and he wanted to make it the best he could.

shamustwin · Post by **shamustwin** » Sat Sep 24, 2005 4:32 pm

When Macca and the fabs and all the other counter culture folks were running around, it was a bad deal to "sell out", commercials, whatever. Times have changed, I think Macca finally realized that better late than never. If someone else is going to get rich selling out Paul McCartney songs, why shouldn't he get in on the action? Why not put his image, his standing in the music community to work for him? No, he doesn't need the money, but maybe he's got plans for what he does earn to be channeled to some of his causes. These days, even the indie DIY's know you got to sell more than your music. Maybe not a good thing, but that's life in the 21st century.

expomick · Post by **expomick** » Sat Sep 24, 2005 9:40 pm

Well stated.