370/12 SPC Questions
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Quick link from Bjorn's site:
370/12v67: http://www.rickbeat.com/modelslibrary/37012v67/37012v67.htm
360/12v66: http://www.rickbeat.com/modelslibrary/36012v66/36012v66.htm
370/12v67: http://www.rickbeat.com/modelslibrary/37012v67/37012v67.htm
360/12v66: http://www.rickbeat.com/modelslibrary/36012v66/36012v66.htm
Hello!
The 370/12SPCs that I refer to as "overruns" were sold in FG, MG and JG. I have owned examples in all 3 colors. Some observations:
Every JG I have seen has Schaller tuners. Every MG and FG I have seen have reissue-style.
Some have foam under the pickups, some have grommets. The FG and MG I owned had grommets. All of the JGs I have seen had foam.
Kevin's is the only one I have seen with a 6-saddle bridge.
Kevin's is the latest serial number I have seen.
While there are some other 21-fret 370/12s made since, they are definitely distinguishable from the RM "overruns". They have the sharp upper horn, non-lacquered nut, smaller dots on the binding, and all of the other small but noticeable changes made to the guitars in the '95-'96 general area.
Some of these are the 370/12V67 and some are custom guitars made for this person or that. Someone hit on it earlier- the RM overruns looks like RMs and the later ones look like 360/12CWs with an extra pickup.
The ones I consider overruns are bodies made in the RM period. The finishes and small details lead me to belive this. It is of course possible that some were made shortly after.
They do sell at a premium though they do not approach the RM of course. I have long regretted selling the MG example I had as it was a stunner and dead mint.
The 370/12SPCs that I refer to as "overruns" were sold in FG, MG and JG. I have owned examples in all 3 colors. Some observations:
Every JG I have seen has Schaller tuners. Every MG and FG I have seen have reissue-style.
Some have foam under the pickups, some have grommets. The FG and MG I owned had grommets. All of the JGs I have seen had foam.
Kevin's is the only one I have seen with a 6-saddle bridge.
Kevin's is the latest serial number I have seen.
While there are some other 21-fret 370/12s made since, they are definitely distinguishable from the RM "overruns". They have the sharp upper horn, non-lacquered nut, smaller dots on the binding, and all of the other small but noticeable changes made to the guitars in the '95-'96 general area.
Some of these are the 370/12V67 and some are custom guitars made for this person or that. Someone hit on it earlier- the RM overruns looks like RMs and the later ones look like 360/12CWs with an extra pickup.
The ones I consider overruns are bodies made in the RM period. The finishes and small details lead me to belive this. It is of course possible that some were made shortly after.
They do sell at a premium though they do not approach the RM of course. I have long regretted selling the MG example I had as it was a stunner and dead mint.
I'd also opine that some of the 660/12s I have seen are really "Petty overruns". Some of the early examples' bodies were clearly constructed and finished much earlier. Rickenbacker stopped finishing over the nut in '96 sometime, or early '97, and the neck dots on the binding got smaller in '95 or '96. Some of the early 660/12s had a finished nut and the larger dots, so I am making an educated guess that these bodies were sitting around for a while. The 660/12 I recently sold fits this bill.
All this information is all very interesting, but where on earth can I buy one?????
I have a biological need for a 360 new style 12 string with 21 frets and full length inlays. I'm not that interested in a super expensive signature model or a 40 year old guitar with all sorts of pitfalls and finish problems to worry about - so this sounds like the perfect solution.
anyone seen any available?
I have a biological need for a 360 new style 12 string with 21 frets and full length inlays. I'm not that interested in a super expensive signature model or a 40 year old guitar with all sorts of pitfalls and finish problems to worry about - so this sounds like the perfect solution.
anyone seen any available?
I wonder where my earlier post went? Anyway, let's try it again.
There were less than 10 RM "overun" instruments, the remainder of some held back for warranty purposes that were never needed. They were sold as standard guitars- no signature, certificate, or special wiring.
Later there were some of these made by special order, most of which were sold in Germany.
There were no Petty "overuns" whatsoever; we decided to produce these as a standard item before the run was complete.
There's always reasons why some guitars lag behind- rework, various samples for shows or engineering, and other reasons. Sometimes we have had inventory of bodyies and/or necks waiting for the spare time to assemble them.
As examples of this, I still have a pallet load of 4002 basses and about 30 of the 1931 Frying Pan guitars.
There were less than 10 RM "overun" instruments, the remainder of some held back for warranty purposes that were never needed. They were sold as standard guitars- no signature, certificate, or special wiring.
Later there were some of these made by special order, most of which were sold in Germany.
There were no Petty "overuns" whatsoever; we decided to produce these as a standard item before the run was complete.
There's always reasons why some guitars lag behind- rework, various samples for shows or engineering, and other reasons. Sometimes we have had inventory of bodyies and/or necks waiting for the spare time to assemble them.
As examples of this, I still have a pallet load of 4002 basses and about 30 of the 1931 Frying Pan guitars.