More Beatles Ebay Fraud

lennonon · Post by **lennonon** » Fri Dec 23, 2005 2:50 pm

Check out this one. It's HYSTERICAL. Somehow JPG&R all signed with the same blue ballpoint pen in 1977. And in signatures all reminiscent of their 64/65 auto's. Yikes. Ebay is so slack with this stuff.

Oh I already checked with the seller to see if he was aware that the signatures are blatant forgeries and he had an incomprehensible melt down, so I take he WAS aware....

Hope no one gets screwed although it doesn't look like it given the bidders probably don't exist...

Just thought this one was particularly funny and egregious....

Happy Chrimble...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6589926244&sspagename=ADME%3AB%3ARTQ%3AUS%3A1&rd=1

doctorwho · Post by **doctorwho** » Fri Dec 23, 2005 3:08 pm

... Bidders with a low score or no score please do not bid ...

So who's the current high bidder? marlin186000 (1)

larrywassgren · Post by **larrywassgren** » Fri Dec 23, 2005 5:08 pm

As W.C. Fields would say, 'never give a sucker an even break or smarten up a chump.' Maybe things haven't changed that much

brammy · Post by **brammy** » Fri Dec 23, 2005 7:02 pm

I sent him a polite question asking how I could be assured of authenticity since there have been many fake Beatle autograph sales. I got this response......

The auction is over. 94% of all Beatle autographs are fake. Even
the high end dealers get fooled. Some dealers want $30K+ for
an album. In order to authenticate you pay a $50 fee and then
you are an expert. Your question is a tough one. You will also
get other Ebay members telling you that you are bidding on a
fake item then they will tell you they have a contact that gets
you the real stuff. All BS. Best of luck.

lennonon · Post by **lennonon** » Fri Dec 23, 2005 8:31 pm

Nice...I too sent him a polite "I have seen many Beatles autographs and these may not be authentic. Are you aware of this? I have a 1965 set and many scans of other years, solo & group, and if you'd like to see them for comparison purposes let me know."

This was his response to ME:

"I am twisting your arm? what do you sell t-shirts for a $1.99 oh
you have a book. Now I know. You are an expert. The gospel. I
am so scarred of you. I forgot you won Ebay. Bug off you peice
of ****. What now? Are you going to recomend that you have
afriend that sells real Beatle stuff? I heard it all. You send me
your credentials. What, Ebay is going to believe an uneducated
idiot like you? Oh I am so scared beacuse the other idiots I
reported are on your side."

Strange dude...his command of the English language is about as about as firm as his grasp on reality....either way another lunatic brought to us courtesy of the Ebay...

Oh and btw, the auction is STILL live...

atomic_punk · Post by **atomic_punk** » Fri Dec 23, 2005 10:05 pm

I just asked him if he got an explanation from the guy he bought it from how he got the Beatles to sign with the same blue pen in 1977, given that the group broke up in 1970, this would have been a very difficult task!
Also, I love how he says COA's don't mean squat, but he will include the one he has for this one!

brammy · Post by **brammy** » Sat Dec 24, 2005 10:01 am

Michael... can you post any of those comparison scans here?

brammy · Post by **brammy** » Sat Dec 24, 2005 10:09 am

Sounds like he was scammed and he knows it... now he's trying to pass it on.

brammy · Post by **brammy** » Sat Dec 24, 2005 5:43 pm

more fun with ben3757

my followup email -------------------------------------------------------------------
Hi ... In response...
>>>>The auction is over.
no, its not. Why did you say that?
>>>94% of all Beatle autographs are fake.
actually it's 95%..... if you count this one.
Look, pal, these are autopen reproductions. Anyone with a brain can see that. They've been matched to copies elsewhere. Its clowns like you who are causing Ebay problems.

his response--------------------------------------------------------------
I really don't care what you think. Don't you have something better to do. Like sell one of your LP's for a whopping 5 bucks. Pound sand.

my response--------------------------------------------------------------
I hope you can get the help you need ... you clearly have a few screws loose. Merry Christmas.

jeff · Post by **jeff** » Sun Dec 25, 2005 7:32 am

There isn't a day that goes by where I don't see FAKE Beatles autographs floating around on Ebay. Here's a hot one for you guys that happened back in March. Some clown was auctioning off a George Harrison autographed guitar for a modest amount which if memory serves sold for a little over $750.00. But, here's the problem: the "signed" guitar was a new Fender Squier '51 (the kind that almost resembles a '51 P bass) that was just introduced last year (July '04)!!! So I emailed this bafoon and asked him how could George Harrison who passed away on November 29, 2001 sign a guitar that was just manufactured in July of 2004? Needless to say he emailed me back almost immediately with various colorful metaphors and telling me how "hurtful" and "insensitive" I was, and that I should "get a life"!
Now folks, I'm no Frank Ciaizzo (Beatles Autograph Expert), but I've been collecting long enough to know a legit from a fake. This one especially didn't take an expert to figure out!
Thanks Kent and Steve for a few chuckles this holiday weekend!

brammy · Post by **brammy** » Sun Dec 25, 2005 8:56 am

>>>colorful metaphors and telling me how "hurtful" and "insensitive" I was, and that I should "get a life"!

HAAAAAAAAAAA! that twit must belong to the same weird psycho Beatle fakery club as ben3757.

brammy · Post by **brammy** » Sun Dec 25, 2005 9:25 am

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Hard to tell, but I'm suspicious of this one...

BEATLES orig. autographs signed Hard Day's Night LP COA
http://cgi.ebay.com/BEATLES-orig-autographs-signed-Hard-Days-Night-LP-COA_W0QQitemZ7573912488QQcategoryZ104411QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

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This one apeears to be legit.....

Beatles Autograph SGT. PEPPER 3 DAY AUCTION NR.
http://cgi.ebay.com/Beatles-Autograph-SGT-PEPPER-3-DAY-AUCTION-NR_W0QQitemZ7574950018QQcategoryZ104411QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

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This one is almost surely not Beatle autographs. I've read that some of the Beatle entourage (Neil Aspinall, Tony Barrow etc) would sometimes forge signatures just to lighten the load for the Fabs. These could be some of those. Compare the George signature to legit ones..... its all wrong.

Real Beatles Autographs, Not Pre-Printed!!!
http://cgi.ebay.com/Real-Beatles-Autographs-Not-Pre-Printed_W0QQitemZ6591149482QQcategoryZ14433QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

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This could be legit. At least the seller seems honest about the origin.

http://cgi.ebay.com/4-Beatles-autographs-John-Lennons-In-His-Own-Write_W0QQitemZ6589834395QQcategoryZ14433QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
4 Beatles autographs: John Lennon's "In His Own Write"

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I guess these must be real... and I guess if I lit my cigars with $100 bills I might be in a position to buy it. Note that at this price there are ZERO bidders.

THE BEATLES FULL SET AUTOGRAPHS I PAGE CAIAZZO
http://cgi.ebay.com/THE-BEATLES-FULL-SET-AUTOGRAPHS-I-PAGE-CAIAZZO_W0QQitemZ7574509998QQcategoryZ61QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

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This one comes "with a COA" but does not say who did the COA. Perhaps the seller himself?
How conveeeeeeeeeeient! I'm very suspicious, but I suppose it could be legit.

http://cgi.ebay.com/BEATLES-HAND-SIGNED-X-3-AUTOGRAPH-PHOTO-W-COA_W0QQitemZ7573961694QQcategoryZ32988QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
BEATLES HAND SIGNED X 3 AUTOGRAPH PHOTO -W/COA

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This one doesn't even make the claim of authenticity telling the buyer "Please decide for yourself".
Hmmm, lets see... spend $1500 on this or not?.... I think NOT.

BEATLES a hard day's night VINYL german AUTOGRAPH 1965
http://cgi.ebay.com/BEATLES-a-hard-days-night-VINYL-german-AUTOGRAPH-1965_W0QQitemZ4811626209QQcategoryZ306QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

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Hmmm... looks too goo to be true. I smell a rat.

http://cgi.ebay.com/BEATLES-SIGNED-ORIG-AUTOGRAPHS-WITH-THE-LP-MONO-COA_W0QQitemZ7573870099QQcategoryZ104411QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
BEATLES SIGNED ORIG. AUTOGRAPHS/WITH THE.. LP MONO/COA!

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chingnchime · Post by **chingnchime** » Sun Dec 25, 2005 10:04 am

The only ones that seem to look real are the 'FULL SET' autographs. The others look phony as a, uh, fake autograph!

jeff · Post by **jeff** » Sun Dec 25, 2005 10:42 am

Kent, from what I can tell on the Ebay links you've provided I would say #1 FAKE, #2 Lennon's looks legit, but very doubtful of the McCartney, Harrison, and Starr sigs. Someone probably got Lennon's, and decided to add P,G,& R themselves. #3 FAKE, #4 FAKE, #5 REAL, #6 Pete Best's is real, Paul's could be (wish the scan was clearer), but George's is fake. #7 FAKE, and #8, well...the scan is too small (maybe there's a reason that it is), but I would venture to say FAKE. Even Neil Aspinall and Mal Evans could forge better sigs than some of the ones floating around out there right now!

brammy · Post by **brammy** » Mon Dec 26, 2005 10:00 am

wow.... out of 8, that adds up to only one that is likely fully real. Even to give the benefit of the doubt to a few of the others shows that BEATLE FAKE AUTOGRAPHS is a freekin cottege industry.