RICKENBACKER?

tim · Post by **tim** » Sat Jan 21, 2006 2:28 am

This morning, on BBC Radio 2's "Sounds Of The Sixties", someone chose 3 'jingle jangle' tracks which supposedly featured the sound of the Rickenbacker 12 string. "The World Turns All Around Her - The Byrds, "You Didn't Have To Be So Nice" - The Lovin' Spoonful" and "Does She Really Care For Me" - The Searchers. The first is a given, but the other 2? True or False. I'd like to know.

firstbassman · Post by **firstbassman** » Sat Jan 21, 2006 11:46 am

I've always associated that "JJ" type sound with the Lovin' Spoonful from Sebastian playing an autoharp.

admin · Post by **admin** » Sat Jan 21, 2006 11:54 am

Tim: I have never read nor seen any photos of the Lovin' Spoonful with a Rickenbacker. Perhaps Roy could send along a link to Does She Really Care For Me.

royclough · Post by **royclough** » Sun Jan 22, 2006 4:45 am

Here is the track, at the time Searchers were using Burns Guitars or at least Frank Allen and Mike Pender were, I believe it is a 12 string but not a Rick

http://s62.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2BX2T9TGJOFE317PBQZ09TFCTY

tim · Post by **tim** » Sun Jan 22, 2006 5:14 am

Roy, I would have said 12 String Burns too.

admin · Post by **admin** » Mon Jan 23, 2006 9:24 am

Roy or Tim. When was Does She Really Care For Me recorded?

shamustwin · Post by **shamustwin** » Mon Jan 23, 2006 9:33 am

I don't hear a 12 on any LS track, but I seem to recall a photo of them with a fender 12.

royclough · Post by **royclough** » Mon Jan 23, 2006 9:36 am

About April 65 as faR I know though it did not appear until it was released as a track on the last official album for PYE, released at end of November 65.

Originally a track by Ruby And The Romantics though clearly he instead of she.

admin · Post by **admin** » Mon Jan 23, 2006 9:47 am

Thanks Roy. The Searchers had a Rickenbcker 12 at that time, so it is possible. Pender claims that all recordings beginning with When You Walk In The Room used the Rickenbacker Model 1993. The studio effects are disguising the tonality in part, so it is hard to say. Certainly not the classic Rickenbacker sound however.

rictified · Post by **rictified** » Mon Jan 23, 2006 8:40 pm

Related, I just got my Zombie Heaven box set and they have a nice Ric 6 string on the cover with I think a Kaufmen vibrato along with an EB-3 Gibson bass. I'm not up on the Ric guitar models.
It looks like the one that Pete Townshend used to smash all over the stage. In fact now that I look there are many shots of him onstage with the same guitar in the book that comes with it.

jingle_jangle · Post by **jingle_jangle** » Tue Jan 24, 2006 4:45 am

It's a nice older 335, with Accent vibrato. Beautiful aging on the FG.

Zombie Heaven is the boxed set I mentioned in another thread. If your experience with the Zombies is limited to "She's Not There", "Tell Her No", and maybe "Time of the Season", you really should check this one out! It's filled with "B" sides, non-Top 40 and the entire "O & O" album.

Not a speck of filler, as FZ once said...

wayang · Post by **wayang** » Tue Jan 24, 2006 8:46 am

"Time Of The Season" is definitely on the list for my Viet Nam era cover band...which looks like it's gettin' off the ground.

Not a moment too soon...

randyz · Post by **randyz** » Fri Feb 10, 2006 12:20 pm

Paul: It's not a Rick 335 (but you were close). The Zombies' guitarist played a Rick 1997 (with an Accent vibrato). It is featured prominently on most of the TV appearances they ever made, although I do recall seeing him play what looked to be a large orange Gretsch (monochrome video) once. In the studio he favored an acoustic fitted with a soundhole pick-up.

jingle_jangle · Post by **jingle_jangle** » Fri Feb 10, 2006 12:33 pm

Of course. It was the UK, back then; chances are it was an RM.

Thanks for the correction!

randyz · Post by **randyz** » Fri Feb 10, 2006 1:46 pm

Paul: An understandable mistake, especially since the soundhole wasn't visible. And the flared trousers almost look like a partial slash soundhole. Obviously, I've seen enough other photos to know what it was. It seems that in '65 nearly every British beat group was playing RM 1997's or 1998's (i.e. The Animals, Herman's Hermits, The Moody Blues, The Who, The Zombies, The Birds, The Koobas, etc). Have you ever seen Denny Laine's 1998 after it got a custom refinish (circa 1967)? It's unique. I wish I had a picture I could post.