Pretty Convincing 360/12 copy on CL

ozover50 · Post by **ozover50** » Tue Jan 24, 2006 11:10 pm

You'd have to go a whole lot further to 'get the boot' here, Chris. But testing the waters has seen some shot down in flames just after takeoff....

Welcome from me also. I hope you find this forum not only informative but a bit of fun. Enjoy!!

chrisb · Post by **chrisb** » Wed Jan 25, 2006 6:36 am

Thanks all, for the welcome. It is fun so far, even if some of you seem a little too "patriotic" for my tastes. A good guitar is a good guitar to me, and after dealing with RIC and J. Hall a bit, I have absolutely no allegiance to that company--even if they do make the best guitars in the world.
Looking forward to more....

jingle_jangle · Post by **jingle_jangle** » Wed Jan 25, 2006 7:12 am

We'll probably make your teeth ache with our "patriotism", then...

wayang · Post by **wayang** » Wed Jan 25, 2006 7:24 am

I pledge allegiance
To the Halls
And their lil' ol' Santa Ana factory
And to the Rickenbackers
Which they hand-sand
One family, on the job,
With Liberty and Jangle for all

Thank you all for being here...please take your seats...

craviola990 · Post by **craviola990** » Wed Jan 25, 2006 7:51 am

Hi Chris (Great name, BTW!) The knock-offs are most definitely interesting, and certainly have more of a place here for perusal than say a Cort Flying V! "Charm" is always a big factor in my book; often a lower end instrument is used in recording for a certain feel or sound. Johnny Ramone played those Mosrites (Although, they are now prised collectors items!) for a particular sound, etc. When B.J Thomas did "Raindrops Keep Fallin' On My Head", you can hear the gurgle in his voice, and almost feel the 102 degree fever he had when he laid down what was supposed to be "Just a scratch vocal". Came back after a few days, and he and the producer decided to keep it as is! The best music is ALWAYS a synthesis of styles, and most great breakthroughs are happy accidents. There is alot of charm to the fret buzz on "Mother Nature's Son"; same for the end of "In My Life" (The greatest song ever written-I put it up against ANYTHING by Chopan, Rachmanninoff, Stravinsky, etc) The fret buzz at the end of that song adds a "Shimmer", as it were. (Myself personally, I would have re-done the track!!) The Epiphone Casino's that the Beatles used, were down the scale from the Sheraton & Riviera, but those two instruments don't have the same "Twang". There's the god awful mistakes in "Wild Horses" (The Burritos version is GORGEOUS!) Paul's bum bass notes in "Oh! Darling" & "Ticket To Ride", etc. NOTHING will replace a Ricky for me personally (One man's opinion); I owned a 366/12 Convertible from 1979-2002 (Sadly, I lost her and everything else to a house fire that year) I am now shortly to relace her with a 360/12V66 for $2,000. It would have been nice to only spend $600!!! I'm new to the group as well; spend most of my time at "The Byrds Forum"! There certainly is that feeing of absolute quality when you have a Ricky in your hands; the density, playability, proper German Maple, etc. And maybe you want one of those Tokais to whip out some "Chocolate Watchband"! Never ceases to amaze me how different instruments feel in different hands. It's really quite fascinating & intriguing. Thanks, Christian Bryan (Chris B as well!)

jingle_jangle · Post by **jingle_jangle** » Wed Jan 25, 2006 8:28 am

"Proper German Maple?" LOL

craviola990 · Post by **craviola990** » Wed Jan 25, 2006 8:42 am

Yeah, What a relief they're not made out of "Laminated Wal Mart Pine"! Whew!! Christian

BobKat · Post by **BobKat** » Thu Jan 26, 2006 7:46 pm

*Screech* Crash!

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jingle_jangle · Post by **jingle_jangle** » Fri Jan 27, 2006 4:46 am

The long arm reaches into Craig's lair...

studiotwosession · Post by **studiotwosession** » Sun Jan 29, 2006 9:10 am

And, in a related story: www.nytimes.com/2006/01/29/technology/29ebay.html?hp&ex=1138597200&en=2d9fd6c2b6f37545&ei=5094&partner=homepage

kcole4001 · Post by **kcole4001** » Sun Jan 29, 2006 9:35 am

Goodbye ebay (maybe).
They're making TONS of money. Why would ebay want to get rid of the scammers?

studiotwosession · Post by **studiotwosession** » Sun Jan 29, 2006 5:25 pm

>>They're making TONS of money. Why would ebay want to get rid of the scammers?<<

Lots of reasons. Firstly, because they've already lost a lot of business to people that sell higher ticket (thus, much higher revenue producing items...new laptops, etc.) These sellers got mad because of ebay's continual price increases and, until ebay caught on that they were losing business with such sellers to sites like Overstock, poor customer service. Secondly because Ebay has learned that they can't be everything to everyone. If people have bad experiences on it because of junk passed off as, say Tiffany, well then that translates to what people think of the Ebay brand, and thus they're vulnerable to competitors that offer a more premium service to buyers. Finally, as the article states, ebay may make money when scammers sell fake jewelry, but not without significantly cutting down the price legit sellers can get for the real thing. So people who sell the real thing will go elsewhere, even brick and mortar stores that sell the real deal, and buyers will likely find such sellers at some point and avoid ebay all together, leaving it a place where scammers sell junk to those that can't tell the difference or get burned once and never come back. (Of course, in some third world countries, this is what passes as everyday business. But it's not exactly representative of the US market save some, ahem, jewelry stores.) Fortunately it appears fake Rickenbackers are harder to pull off. But think about it, a few years ago ebay thought they were the only game in town. But now there are people selling Rickenbackers to each other in places like this with no middleman whatsoever. Lastly, like the article states, some deep pocket companies are getting irked about ebay's attitude regarding the forgeries of their merch. being sold with at the very least, lax controls (i.e. is ebay really going to police itself and pull rights to sell quickly? Probably not.) Thus they are being sued. Being sued can get to be very expensive very fast.

jingle_jangle · Post by **jingle_jangle** » Sun Jan 29, 2006 5:36 pm

In a perfect world, yes. But eBay's size is working for and against it at the same time...

It's only in the last 6 weeks that those weird 74 cent guitars have been turning up from China. So far they're proliferating, and eBay has not been effective in policing them...

It takes a long time to corner that 2,000 pound gorilla to give it a haircut and shave.

studiotwosession · Post by **studiotwosession** » Mon Jan 30, 2006 3:31 am

Of course, this is why there's been all kinds of talk, from Ebay itself, about everything from reforms to breaking up the site, as there are now major flaws appearing in the business model. Fine art and junk jewelry just don't go together. On the other hand, I think some of the plaintiffs are right about the fact that, even if ebay continues to police itself, it could automatically suspend a lot of sellers accused of such things, a lot faster. They could even let buyers do it. That would reduce a lot of this very, very fast with very little effort on ebay's part. Yes, it would cost them a few bucks, but what kind of site do they want to be, junk? Quality stuff? Can't be both without one cutting into the other. And do they want to provide any service at all while raising prices? And about the 74 cent guitars, well, ebay is still a relatively new, evolving business. They've only recently had serious competition from sellers of new, high ticket items sellers. And they've stumbled badly there. And these fakes are only now emerging from the woodwork in mass, and they're the kind of threat that can do a lot of damage in some categories. Let's see if the trend continues, how ebay reacts, if at all, and where premium brands stand on it all.

brammy · Post by **brammy** » Tue Jan 31, 2006 8:51 pm

Nice Ric-pledge, Dane ... I just snapped off a crisp salute.... but I guess you'll just have to take my word on that one.