This stuff really works - WOW!!

jingle_jangle · Post by **jingle_jangle** » Tue Feb 14, 2006 7:39 am

All the dishwashing soaps have salt, as far as I know.

I prefer wax and grease remover to get wax off, as it also gets silicone off the car/guitar (or car-guitar, in the case of the VOX Mobile...)

I asked Sal Zaino how they brainwashed so many people and shut down so many web sites. Reminds me of Scientology.

Sal responded that their products contained no silicone, but Sal Zaino's wife did. He refused to answer my polymer question.

Rob, this is the last time I will say it: Polymer coatings will never replace wax in my refinishing process.

Y'know, when people get really "you gotta try this!" in their eagerness, I (and lots of other folks) tend to dig in their heels.

Having worked in the past for another New Jersey Marketing Guru with a similar way of promoting his stuff as Sal, I'm dug in deep.

rhampshire · Post by **rhampshire** » Tue Feb 14, 2006 8:21 am

Brainwashed? Ok... over and out.

jingle_jangle · Post by **jingle_jangle** » Tue Feb 14, 2006 1:15 pm

It's hard to stay tongue-in-cheek with literal-minded people...

My intention was verbal jousting, Rob...the only thing I get personal about is capitalization and punctuation, as those who know me will attest.

Anyway, pout all you want. I refuse to join the Zaino bandwagon.

ken_j · Post by **ken_j** » Tue Feb 14, 2006 2:57 pm

Paul,

I prefer wax and grease remover to get wax off, as it also gets silicone off the car/guitar...

As in prep-sol? I only ask because a new car I recently purchased had a product called Car Brite Tire Dressing (Valvoline/Vesco Oil Co.) put on the tires by the selling dealer. The stuff ended up all over the sides of the car and the wheels. Needless to say I was hot. I have never used silicone on paint and know it's a no-no. I surely don't trust these same idiots to clean it off. Sorry to hijack the thread.

wints · Post by **wints** » Tue Feb 14, 2006 3:17 pm

Dear Paul,

Will you please, please register your name profile back with capitals.

It's been killing me...

jingle_jangle · Post by **jingle_jangle** » Tue Feb 14, 2006 4:15 pm

Ken, Prep-Sol is DuPont's trade name, and since it was reformulated a few years back, is not the product it once was.

PPG's Acryl-Clean 330 is the Cat's Pajamas for getting that tire junk off your car.

Shiny tires? Since when has rubber been shiny? This is something that happens because so many detailers are hip hoppers, too, and hip hop car guys love tires that make a car look like it was built from a plastic kit. Don't know why.

Wints, you're right. I've made THAT statement for a year now. Time to change! Consider it done.

jingle_jangle · Post by **jingle_jangle** » Tue Feb 14, 2006 4:17 pm

Ken, Prep-Sol is DuPont's trade name, and since it was reformulated a few years back, is not the product it once was.

PPG's Acryl-Clean 330 is the Cat's Pajamas for getting that tire junk off your car.

Shiny tires? Since when has rubber been shiny? This is something that happens because so many detailers are hip hoppers, too, and hip hop car guys love tires that make a car look like it was built from a plastic kit. Don't know why.

Wints, you're right. I've made THAT statement for a year now. Time to change! Consider it done.

jingle_jangle · Post by **jingle_jangle** » Tue Feb 14, 2006 4:19 pm

Well, I cannot change my name or some other things on my profile, so I will appeal to Peter to please capitalize my name. If it can be done, he will do it, I'm sure...

ken_j · Post by **ken_j** » Tue Feb 14, 2006 4:25 pm

Thanks Paul. Anything with a 330 in it must be good. LOL. I have been leary of using anything on it especially since it has a plastic body and most likely a flex-agent in the paint. I have never had to take silicone off since I know better than to put it on in the first place.

jingle_jangle · Post by **jingle_jangle** » Tue Feb 14, 2006 4:30 pm

This stuff will also strip the wax off your car, so do give it several good coats of Zymol! ($15.00)

Or Zaino ($100.00+)...

ken_j · Post by **ken_j** » Tue Feb 14, 2006 4:34 pm

The Zymol was purchased a few months ago for guitars and cars along with the Scratch X. I just need to get a light rubbing compound for a small spot on my lease that is almost up.

rhampshire · Post by **rhampshire** » Wed Feb 15, 2006 6:42 am

Three things sure to bring up conflict in any conversation: politics, religion, and car wax.

As I've said several times, whether or not you choose to try Zaino doesn't change my mood one bit - the expression on my face at the moment is not one of pouting, in fact it's quite the opposite. I find the closed-mindedness of several people on this forum pretty amusing.

jingle_jangle · Post by **jingle_jangle** » Wed Feb 15, 2006 7:37 am

Oh, so it's a smirk, then...

Rob, my "close mindedness" is in fact informed skepticism, which leads to a position based upon two things:

1. Experience and lots of it. (do I have to bring this up? I was building and exhibiting show cars--professionally, not as a hobbyist-- in 1975, at the age of 27. I built my last show car--for Mazda--in 2001. Now I do guitars.) I have personally owned 67 cars (mostly antique and classic, but about 20 new cars), upon which every wax in the book has been tried, going back to 1968, when I bought my first car--a 1955 Chevrolet Nomad, which was a modern design classic even then.

2. Chemistry. This comes under the heading of "knowing the best materials for the job at hand". (I will be rehashing some stuff here that most of you already know, it may sound pompous and boring. For this I apologize in advance.)

Rob--I head up the fabrication curriculum and teach this sort of stuff--design, design prototype building and finishing--at the university level, in a large, private University which is accredited by 5 organizations. I wrote the curriculum for all these courses. I supervise six other instructors and run 4 very large and busy shops on a daily basis. I advise students--440 of them--in best methods. Occasionally one of them will bring me a method or material or source, which when a true advancement, gets incorporated into my syllabi.

I have tested many, many waxes, compounds, and glazes. Whenever I see a new one in a store, I read the label and if I think it could be better than what I already use, I buy it and test it. Polymers are NOT on my list to use on guitars or in my model making and finishing classes; rubbing compound, glaze, scratch and haze removers and an excellent quality, water-soluble wax ARE. These are informed decisions based upon experience and knowledge.

If somebody showed me a water-soluble wax which outperformed Zymol, I would switch in a second!

This is as ridiculous as if you tried to convince me to use latex house paint to finish guitars, and then accused me of being close minded if I called you crazy for suggesting it. And I have been very patient despite your singleminded fervor.

Polymer coatings do not meet my criteria for waxes, that's all. I guess that makes--what?--six times I've said it?

rhampshire · Post by **rhampshire** » Wed Feb 15, 2006 7:47 am

Fair enough, Paul, fair enough. But just for the record, I did say that I would try out some Zymol, so how does that make *me* singleminded?

jingle_jangle · Post by **jingle_jangle** » Wed Feb 15, 2006 8:39 am

It doesn't. I am sure you are quite as flexible as the rest of us, and also quite convinced that Zaino is the best for your Pontiac and bass.

People come to me for recommendations. I gladly share my experiences and methods. It is up to people to decide what's best for them. I receive no remuneration for any of this except the great feeling of helping others get their Ricks shipshape.

(And, to be truthful, a fair number of refinishing projects which help me to support my Rickenhobby.)

The singleminded was in reference to your devoted posts, which I must point out had a bit of a preachy flavor to them.