George's 2nd RIC 12 String

leftybass · Post by **leftybass** » Thu Mar 16, 2006 4:17 am

Yeah, the fire was a great loss of history. Manny's is kinda like that too, with all the pics everywhere...

simer4001 · Post by **simer4001** » Thu Mar 16, 2006 5:16 am

This day in age, these guys should be scanning photo's and letters and displaying the copies and then safeguard the originals.

qmoder · Post by **qmoder** » Sun Mar 19, 2006 10:14 pm

You fellas are way behind. The second Gent is now and has been for a long time in Ringo's possession. So is the Miami of Lennon's.

rogerf · Post by **rogerf** » Mon Mar 20, 2006 4:48 am

Lennon's second 325 that was delivered to him in Miami is still in the hands of the Lennon estate, however most agree that Ringo has the fireglow Rose Morris 1996 that John got when he broke the headstock on that second 325.

There are differing opinions about the Gent that was recently revealed to be in Ringo's possesion. Mark Hudson said he has seen and played that Gent and that it is the one that George played on Ed Sullivan. This information is contrary to the long-held story that George gave his second Gent to the guitar player in the FourMost (his first Gent was said to have been destroyed when it fell off the trunk of the limo driven by Alf Bicknell).

Also, around the time that Anthology was being developed, George stated in an interview that he wished he still had the Gent he played on Ed Sullivan. Paul McCartney said in an interview after Anthology was released that he located and purchased a 1963 Gent and gave it to George as a token of appreciation for his participation in Anthology.

Many believe that the Gent in Ringo's possesion is the one that Paul gave George for Anthology. Others believe Mark Hudson because he is a friend of Ringo's, is a big Beatles fan, knows vintage guitars, and should know whether or not it is Georges second Gent.

randyz · Post by **randyz** » Mon Mar 20, 2006 5:21 am

Roger: I'm not an authority on George's Gretsch guitars, but according to the 'Beatle Gear' book, the Fourmost's guitarist is directly quoted regarding the guitar he got from George. He may have cashed it in after the book was published. Perhaps Paul bought it from him? Paul wrote several songs for the Fourmost, so he certainly knew the band members. Another Beatle mystery to solve...

leftybass · Post by **leftybass** » Mon Mar 20, 2006 7:36 am

Re the 2nd Gent: I'm thinking the Fourmost guitarist didn't have the guitar all too long, and traded it sometime after George gave it to him. I'm in the camp that the Gent Ringo has may have been George's, but it was the one Paul gave George, not one of his Beatle Gents.

The only Beatle-period Gretsch you ever see in any of the pics taken of George with his guitar collection is the black Duo Jet, the Gents and the Tenny are nowhere to be found.

George is even quoted in the Beatles' Anthology as saying he thought the guitar that fell off of the Austin Princess was "a Gibson Acoustic..." So who knows.

revolver323 · Post by **revolver323** » Mon Mar 20, 2006 12:30 pm

I thought that the White Falcon 12 string Crosby played in CSN was one that he had converted from 6 to 12 -- seem to recall reading an interview to that effect. I saw the WF, whatever it was, in use in 1969. Someone yelled "Mr Tambourine Man!" up at Crosby and he played the first two bars, then laughed. It sounded great, BTW.