Ric-O-Sound Setup
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4003seagreen
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Ric-O-Sound Setup
OK, I have two combo amps, an Ampeg B100-R (100 watts) and an Ampeg BA112 (60 watts). I'm thinking of getting a ROS and playing the neck pickup through the BA112 and sending the treble pickup through the wonderful B100R (this combo amp is killer!). Currently, all I have effects wise is a BOSS GEB7 Bass EQ and a BOSS Chromatic Tuner. I know I can put the tuner in front of the ROS, but I was wondering if I should get separate EQs for each input to each amp? I was wondering if anyone had experience with the ROS, I know I want to get separate effects for the neck pickup, I don't think I'll do anything with the bridge, maybe some compression, but I wanted to keep the eq in front of the ROS - is this recommended, or should I EQ each connection?
i really cant see the point in trying to play in "stereo", i tried it once, sounds hardly any different.
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I tend to agree with Owen. The IDEA of playing live in stereo is intriguing, but hardly seems worth all the trouble you would have to go through to achieve any noticeable difference. Using the stereo option in a recording studio MIGHT be a bit more practical, but would be a stretch even then.
My belief is that dual mono outputs from a Ric instrument pretty much make the stereo jack obsolete. Heck, guys-- the simplest thing to do is take a single guitar cord, plug it into your favorite input jack in your amp, and just play.
My belief is that dual mono outputs from a Ric instrument pretty much make the stereo jack obsolete. Heck, guys-- the simplest thing to do is take a single guitar cord, plug it into your favorite input jack in your amp, and just play.
yeah just play your bass. theres no point messing about with effects and stereo
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Thanks for the input, that's the kind of things I wanted to hear, whether it's worth the effort to do this. However, I still would like to hear the opinions of those who have used it at least a few times in earnest and whether they think/thought it was worth the effort, and the results they got playing their bass through this setup. If nothing else, it would be great to get it documented in this forum. Thanks in advance!
This doesn;t answer the question but if you don;t mind gimmicky stuff. . . .
Seems like maybe one way to use ROS would be to use some heavy delay effects with one of the channels, plus distortion or some heavy "coloring" effect on the other. . . .it might just sound like two players. Not sure how useful that would be in practice and it would depend heavily on your style of music. Bass distortion always sounds artificial to me anyway.
Seems like maybe one way to use ROS would be to use some heavy delay effects with one of the channels, plus distortion or some heavy "coloring" effect on the other. . . .it might just sound like two players. Not sure how useful that would be in practice and it would depend heavily on your style of music. Bass distortion always sounds artificial to me anyway.
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There is a band that I am playing in and we are thinking of firing our guitarist because he wants to run stereo all the time ... it sounds good to him and it sucks for the rest of the band ...
In these days when the professional standard is that amps are used for stage volume only and powerful PA is used to project the sound to the audience the stereo features of amps, guitars, basses, effects are obsolete ...
I'm sure the setup you talk about will sound good in the basement and garage and maybe a small club ... but it will get lost in a lot of places ...
ALL of my Rickenbacker basses get wired mono ... I find the Ric-o-sound to be obsolete ...
In these days when the professional standard is that amps are used for stage volume only and powerful PA is used to project the sound to the audience the stereo features of amps, guitars, basses, effects are obsolete ...
I'm sure the setup you talk about will sound good in the basement and garage and maybe a small club ... but it will get lost in a lot of places ...
ALL of my Rickenbacker basses get wired mono ... I find the Ric-o-sound to be obsolete ...
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This guy has a whole stack of amps and preamps ... he likes to have it set up where he has one straight and one with effects or one straight and stereo effects ...
Where he stands it sounds cool ... he hits a note and he hears the signal out of one 4x12 cab and the echo comes out of a different 4x12 cab ...
The problem is there is only one place on stage where it sounds cool, where he stands ... then when you mike that it gets more complex ... the whole auidence can't tell and don't care if it is stereo or mono ... it takes longer to set up and it don't sound as good ... I played with a guy in the 80's who had a stereo chorus that went to 2 fender 2x12 amps, he would put one on each side of the stage ... he was the only one who noticed the stereo effect. Or the new Line 6 amps with 2x12 speakers wired stereo. Why??? If you get more than 2 feet away it sounds like mono.
I saw Pink Floyd back in the '70s and they used a quadrophonic PA and it was awesome ... But in that case the PA main speakers were hundreds of feet apart.
Running 2 amps can be cool ... I rewire the ric-o-sound to 2 mono outputs ... this is good for running to 2 amps, or for the studio, or in case one jack fails ... so if I were to run 2 amps I would use 2 mono outputs.
The way I use a Ric bass is ... a mono output to a mid sized amp ... 350 watts and a 2x10 cab and a 1x18 cab about (21"x25"x14")+/- then I mike the 2x10 cab through a PA ... I use a line6 POD for tone shaping (or you could use a sans amp) I have been experimenting with in ear monitors to hear the same thing that is going out through the main speakers.
Where he stands it sounds cool ... he hits a note and he hears the signal out of one 4x12 cab and the echo comes out of a different 4x12 cab ...
The problem is there is only one place on stage where it sounds cool, where he stands ... then when you mike that it gets more complex ... the whole auidence can't tell and don't care if it is stereo or mono ... it takes longer to set up and it don't sound as good ... I played with a guy in the 80's who had a stereo chorus that went to 2 fender 2x12 amps, he would put one on each side of the stage ... he was the only one who noticed the stereo effect. Or the new Line 6 amps with 2x12 speakers wired stereo. Why??? If you get more than 2 feet away it sounds like mono.
I saw Pink Floyd back in the '70s and they used a quadrophonic PA and it was awesome ... But in that case the PA main speakers were hundreds of feet apart.
Running 2 amps can be cool ... I rewire the ric-o-sound to 2 mono outputs ... this is good for running to 2 amps, or for the studio, or in case one jack fails ... so if I were to run 2 amps I would use 2 mono outputs.
The way I use a Ric bass is ... a mono output to a mid sized amp ... 350 watts and a 2x10 cab and a 1x18 cab about (21"x25"x14")+/- then I mike the 2x10 cab through a PA ... I use a line6 POD for tone shaping (or you could use a sans amp) I have been experimenting with in ear monitors to hear the same thing that is going out through the main speakers.
I think the best use is to run the bridge pickup into an stompbox overdrive, and run the neck pickup clean, remix and send out mono.
There's an Entwistle story, wherein he explained that great bass sound is easy - run your bass into two amps. Run one set full treble, the other set full bass, and mix with the volume controls. ROS splits the signal differently than that approach, but can be used to the same end.
There's an Entwistle story, wherein he explained that great bass sound is easy - run your bass into two amps. Run one set full treble, the other set full bass, and mix with the volume controls. ROS splits the signal differently than that approach, but can be used to the same end.
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Totally agreed, Christopher and Sea Green.
I love my B 100R too, especially when the neck pickup is used alone. The acoustic depth of the neck position sound is beautifully reflected by the B 100R. That amp is real versatile with the ultra hi, lo, mid buttons!
It might not be powerful enough for a big show, but is definitely a good amp for studio recording or smaller venues.
I was once told that RIC basses sound terrific with the SVT heads and 8X10 cabs too. I've yet to experience the combination in person...
I love my B 100R too, especially when the neck pickup is used alone. The acoustic depth of the neck position sound is beautifully reflected by the B 100R. That amp is real versatile with the ultra hi, lo, mid buttons!
It might not be powerful enough for a big show, but is definitely a good amp for studio recording or smaller venues.
I was once told that RIC basses sound terrific with the SVT heads and 8X10 cabs too. I've yet to experience the combination in person...
Hi Paul,
I've been using SVT's and Ric's for years, I think the combination sounds great, SVT's are the only amp I've used that is able to truly reproduce the deep sounds these basses are capable of putting out without sounding muddy, and also at the same time reproducing the top end without sounding harsh (unless you want that, and being a tube amp if you really push them you will get a little bit of distortion, just enough to sound great) you can knock over a wall if you want with these things. But be forewarned, you will get spoiled and not want to use anything else. and band members will try to avoid arriving at the same time as you do! Many people have asked me over the years, why do you haul around that refrigerator, freezer, casket, etc? When they hear it nothing more needs to be said. Ric and SVT, to me, the ultimate combination of power and sound. No I do not work, nor have ever worked for Ampeg. I use the name as a user name because it is easy to remember for me.
I've been using SVT's and Ric's for years, I think the combination sounds great, SVT's are the only amp I've used that is able to truly reproduce the deep sounds these basses are capable of putting out without sounding muddy, and also at the same time reproducing the top end without sounding harsh (unless you want that, and being a tube amp if you really push them you will get a little bit of distortion, just enough to sound great) you can knock over a wall if you want with these things. But be forewarned, you will get spoiled and not want to use anything else. and band members will try to avoid arriving at the same time as you do! Many people have asked me over the years, why do you haul around that refrigerator, freezer, casket, etc? When they hear it nothing more needs to be said. Ric and SVT, to me, the ultimate combination of power and sound. No I do not work, nor have ever worked for Ampeg. I use the name as a user name because it is easy to remember for me.
Oh by the way, since this is about Ric O sound, I used to run my basses stereo into an SVT, the bass pickup into the right hand channel and the treble into the main channel. I found that I heavily favored the treble pickup in the main channel, probably almost like using a 4000, which I have never tried, now I run mono,I just roll off the bass pickup to about 80% to 90% (with the treble on full always) depending upon the room. I find still that I get most of the mid, top, and punch from the treble pickup, and get the bottom from the bass pickup.