EMPEROR STRIKES AGAIN AND GETS SHUT DOWN?

jingle_jangle · Post by **jingle_jangle** » Wed Apr 12, 2006 9:16 am

http://cgi.ebay.com/MATCHING-BRACE-of-BLACK-1963-FENDER-JAGUAR-JAZZMASTER_W0QQitemZ7402146137QQcategoryZ33039QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

The worst garbage I've seen yet from the Master of Subtlety...

Listing is over, but they haven't removed it...

sowhat · Post by **sowhat** » Wed Apr 12, 2006 9:22 am

Hey, what's wrong with these two guitars? (i know it's a stupid question, but i have to ask it...)
I liked the picture of two Scotch terriers, though... the only thing i liked about this auction, to be sincere...

jingle_jangle · Post by **jingle_jangle** » Wed Apr 12, 2006 10:27 am

Nothing wrong with the guitars. Frankly, Sheena, I think the nasty copy (Two BLACK things, the ultimate collectors' choice), and the pictures of the two little black boys at the bottom of the page, pretty much give the show away.

His language is always pandering to a supremacist minority (hurry now, why we're still in power, etc.). If you click on his "me" page, there's the usual shot of the lawn jockey. Currently, he's on a combo organ. You don't know the history and implications of lawn jockeys, being in the USSR, but here in the USA in the Deep South (formerly a very racist area of the country) you won't see these anymore, forty-two years after the Civil Rights Act was passed.

sowhat · Post by **sowhat** » Wed Apr 12, 2006 10:57 am

Hmm... got it.
In fact, being able to read, i did learn a bit about those things from books by American writers... and now, when i studied the description closer, i did notice he's chosen the same color for all "couples"... coincidence or what?

studiotwosession · Post by **studiotwosession** » Wed Apr 12, 2006 2:12 pm

One thing I have come to learn late in life is, it's a myth that the north was any less racist than the south (after all, MLK Jr. is on tape after attending violent marches all through the south, and on it he he says something very close to "I've never seen hatred like I've seen it here today on the streets of Chicago." As was recently pointed out to me, the only difference between segregation in the north and south was in the south they had signs up. Here in NYC, blacks couldn't attend the clubs they worked and played in even into the mid 60s.

jingle_jangle · Post by **jingle_jangle** » Wed Apr 12, 2006 2:23 pm

I lived in both North (Chicago) and South (Virginia). I was in Marquette Park on 67th Street when King marched and saw what happened there first hand.

I also moved to Virginia 20 years later (almost to the day, oddly) and noticed as a newcomer that blacks knew who I was before I was introduced but would not look at me when speaking to me.

So I propose that the effects of racism are longer-lasting in the South than the North.

randyz · Post by **randyz** » Wed Apr 12, 2006 3:08 pm

Paul: To my way of thinking, stereotyping people by geographical location is just as wrong as stereotyping people by race. Thank-you for using the word "formerly" when describing the Deep South.

studiotwosession · Post by **studiotwosession** » Wed Apr 12, 2006 3:40 pm

Paul, you were there through some serious history, for sure.

I don't disagree that the institutionalized racism of the south didn't have different effects, lasting and otherwise.

As a product of Chgo's north suburbs, I can attest that Jessie Jackson wasn't up there protesting against the Glencoe police in the 90s for no reason.

To this day, in those parts, if it's not a crime to be the wrong color and driving through town, profiling is still practiced I'm sure.

As recently as the early 80s, my friend's Mom tried to take her maid to lunch at the country club in Wilmette and was refused entry.

jingle_jangle · Post by **jingle_jangle** » Wed Apr 12, 2006 4:09 pm

Hmm. Maids and the North Shore. I'm a ghetto boy myself, Glenn...Wicker Park, in between gentry and gentrification. Grew up a couple of blocks from Studs and Nelson Algren, but of course Nelson's dead and Stud's forty years older than me...

studiotwosession · Post by **studiotwosession** » Wed Apr 12, 2006 4:23 pm

My Mom's a big Studs fan. I moved back to Chgo in 91, lived in Wriglyville, Logan Square, Humbolt Park (open air drug market on my corner...a far cry from the North Shore but hey, I was in a rock band) and then Bucktown (that's roughly a Near North Side circle.) Don't know if you've heard but Wicker Park is serious regentrification these days, has been undergoing it for about 20 yrs. now. They rebuilt Division Street. Someone told me Royko's parents tavern was on Milwaukee near there somewhere. I read during the snowstorm of '67, he and Roger Ebert left the Sun-Times for a bar at North and Damen. The record store in Hi Fidelity was on Milwaukee, just east of there. Am I rambling or what?

studiotwosession · Post by **studiotwosession** » Wed Apr 12, 2006 4:25 pm

By the way, I guess you know where the old Ludwig factory was on Damen, due north of WP. A friend of mine lived just a few blocks north of there when they were still cranking out drum sets. Alas, it's loft condos now. By the way, didn't mean to imply that we had a maid. We were old school. And I cut the lawn. From what I understand there now, no kids do that anymore. Like I said in another thread, they wonder why overweight kids are the rule and not the exception nowadays.

jingle_jangle · Post by **jingle_jangle** » Wed Apr 12, 2006 5:45 pm

These are all in my old neighborhood. My mother and father were both from Bucktown (Armitage and Hermitage roughly). I know about Wicker Park' gentrification, but when I lived there it was on its way down (late '50s). Royko's parents' tavern was near the Congress theater, between Fullerton and California. He died the day my daughter was born...it'll be nine years next week.

I lived at North and Damen from 1949-59. I guess the Tower Building is still there? It's been awhile since I was back. My house there is now loft condos, too. Money talks.

red_rob · Post by **red_rob** » Wed Apr 12, 2006 11:48 pm

Mind boggling that the "ask the seller a question" questions were all so complimentary.

People are weird

sowhat · Post by **sowhat** » Thu Apr 13, 2006 12:35 am

Not so strange, Rob, if you bear in mind that some people are attracted by good quality pictures, no matter what's the actual (secret?) meaning of them. For instance, i didn't get the drift immediately (yes, i'm a slow-thinker, but that's the other story...), i had to look another time after Paul has given an explanation. The other possibility - the comments might have been left by the ones who share the same attitude, or like-minded... I dunno.

studiotwosession · Post by **studiotwosession** » Thu Apr 13, 2006 3:04 am

Having lived in and around it from '94 to '99, I guess it's my old 'hood, too. Update; the tower building is still there, know it well, had a friend who worked in it. The Double Door, which I am told was a sort of cowboy bar in the 70s, was bought some time in the 80s (I think) by the guy who runs Metro on Clark in Wrigleyville. The Stones played Double Door in 98 or so to kickoff a tour. The "Flat Iron" building is still there, and was still quite seedy when I was last there a couple of years ago. That was sort of the center of the arts scene where the regent started (always with the artists) but for some reason no one seems to have been able to get it rehabbed when everything else has been. That area has stolen a lot of the Chgo night life scene from Division Street/Streeterville. My friend who lived on Damen in the 70s said it was extremely rough then (then again, there were still gang killings with regularity in Logan when I was there ten years ago, and Chgo has led the nation in murders many of the past 20 years.) He remembers the Bay City Rollers and John Bonham touring to Ludwig plant. There was a story, when the Beatles Anthology was on, about one of the Ludwigs trying to sell a drum set one night to a jazz drummer, then the next night seeing his name on TV on Ringo's set when the Beatles were on Sullivan and then going to work and having 89,000 orders. A book I have says they ran that plant two shifts, six days a week in the 60s. I guess you were gone by then. I think Royko kind of sold out at the end. He remarried, moved to Winnetka, got arrested for drunk driving and came off as a pompous, bitter jerk. But he was an old curmudgeon who'd smoked unfiltered Pall Mall's for 50 years. I don't think I'd have been feeling so great myself.