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Another Fakenbacher

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I found this one trying to slip under the radar without the Rickenbacher name in the auction.
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If the auction isn't using the Rickenbacker name, then what's the problem?
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The item being sold is infringing on Rickenbacher trademarks. That's all it takes.
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That is one of the better fakers. It is pretty close to the real thing in shape and construction.
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Post by delberthot »

From what the picture looks like, it does looks good. I owned one until recently when I got my 4003BB and it was very accurate except for the body contour on the top edge and only having one truss rod. I bought it originally to find out if the shape suited me before shelling out nearly £1000 for the real thing.
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Post by rickfan60 »

The seller did not make the bass, he is merely selling it. It is not being sold as a Rick and the seller did not use Rickenbacker as a keyword. There is not even a mention of Rickenbacker in the auction text. While it is likely that the manufacturer was sued or otherwise blocked by RIC from producing any more copies, it does not make owning or selling (by a third party) the produced instruments in any way illegal. Yes, the shape is trademarked and making copies violates the trademark but that does not mean that legitimate owners are law-breakers.
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GONE...................
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Post by bassduke49 »

I believe the catch is that the fakenbackers are included as "counterfeit" items, and eBay won't allow (when they're informed) the listings of "counterfeit" items.
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Post by aceonbass »

I wasn't able to grab a pic from the auction on this bass, but check it out. Ebay item#7404653518.
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Post by rickfan60 »

Given that, most of the guitars currently offered on Ebay could be pulled. I guess it depends on the definition of counterfeit. To me, the word implies an attempt to deceive - to pass off a fake as the genuine article. That was clearly not the case in the auction in question. On the other hand, a trademark holder has the responsibility to jealously and consistently guard the trademark.
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Post by aceonbass »

Ted, I used to have the same opinion on this issue too and posted it here on the forum when this issue came up before. Mr.Hall himself gave me the "smack down" in a very informative e-mail stating the legal reasons why NO ONE may sell infringing items for ANY reason.
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Post by rickfan60 »

Yes, I have heard those points myself. JH sometimes suggests the sellers use smaller local channels like the newspaper classifieds to sell fakers. I don't think he is trying to be a nazi but if an item comes to his attention he pretty much has to take action.
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Post by kcole4001 »

If you let one slide, then you can't claim the right to enforce the copyright on another. That's the gist of the law, so RIC clamps down hard & fast on anything that smells like a copy.
They don't really have a choice. And to drop the issue now, after so many years of consistent defense would not make any sense.
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Post by heinpete »

I have one too: maybe the best 4004 fake ever produced. Amazingly the sound comes very close if not matching to the 4001!!! ImageImageImageImage
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Post by bassduke49 »

Peter, any idea who made the fake 4004? Interesting that it has a binding that goes right through the the coved portion of the top of the body. Perhaps a one-off custom?
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