What's the worst?

rictified · Post by **rictified** » Sat Apr 29, 2006 8:27 pm

Andy Hummel had it right, I was 10 or maybe had just turned 11 when they broke and it was eat and breathe Beatles for almost everyone and everyone had an opinion, even your grandfather who probably hated them and everyone talked about them all the time on TV, radio, repairmen, store clerks to strangers, everyone. I remember watching the Ed Sullivan shows and my father saying they're not playing those guitars, haha! Even he liked them after a while. It was such an unbelievable phenomenon. They totally completely dominated the 60's, not only in music, in everything, they created fads and styles of dress and lifestyles, everything they did became a fashion, they single handedly started the long hair fashion which was a huge affront to older people back then, it became a badge for the counterculture of whom they were symbols. Every album they did was better than the last and much more advanced. We thought they'd always be around, I was stunned when they broke up as I wrote before. Even during the 70's everyone I knew prayed they'd get back together and we'd fantasize stuff like that they would have to rope off the state of Texas for their first reunion concert it would be so big, etc. They were the most important thing in my life, you had faith they'd always be there, kind of like God, when Lennon stated they were more popular than JC, it was a fact, You just had to have been there, no one has even come close in any sphere of entertainment to achieving the fame and influence they had, and thing is most of it was not calculated as it had never really happened before or at least not on the scale it did with them, it was new territory. The mobs of screaming girls went to the airports because they had to, they were compelled to. They were beyond fame, they were worshipped and were an institution. I started to grow up the day I heard them for the first time, I became aware that there were other things in life outside of my little play world.

rictified · Post by **rictified** » Sat Apr 29, 2006 8:33 pm

I may be too close to it but I don't know why people bash Spector's production on Let it Be. There are a few over the top productions on it like Winding Road for ex. but all in all it's very nice live sounding album, it's cohesive. I have both versions and still put the old LP on when I play that one, the other one while interesting is kind of plain and boring to me although I haven't listened to it for a while.

studiotwosession · Post by **studiotwosession** » Sun Apr 30, 2006 2:46 pm

>>Goldfinger<<

Been a while since I saw it and I'm drawing a blank on the fabs reference. If asked cold, I'd have said Gold F was 61 or so, and predated their success. But obviously that can't be correct.

The other thing that was interesting above and beyond the Beatles was just that pop rock was so pervasive in society then. The sit coms had references to protest tunes, and of course the invasion in general.

I think the Dick Van Dyke "Redcoats" episode had no references to the Beatles per se, but was like a parody of A Hard Day's Night and the greater Brit. Invasion.

From the mid 60s to SNL, the "generation gap" was fantastic fodder for entertainment writers for sure

alanz · Post by **alanz** » Mon May 01, 2006 5:16 am

Goldfinger - released December 1964

shamustwin · Post by **shamustwin** » Wed May 03, 2006 1:10 pm

In Goldfinger, just before he's knocked out and the girl is painted gold-glo, Bond is going to the fridge for more bubbly. He mentions drinking Dom Perignon un-chilled is something "you just don't do, like listening to the Beatles without earplugs". Probably not an exact quote, but that's the gist of it.

jojo99 · Post by **jojo99** » Wed May 03, 2006 3:55 pm

>Paul's best Beatles vocal is, hands down, Oh >Darling.

Funny, I read that Lennon thought Macca's vocal on that song was weak -- he thought the song was more suited to his vocal style, and I'd have to agree.
While not the worst Beatle song, I really never liked "Here There and Everywhere", and I always skip over that and Yellow Submarine when I play Revolver. "Here.." is just so sickly sweet and twee, a throwback to the cheesy covers they did in the Hamburg era. Lennon thought very highly of the song, though. "When I'm 64" is another overly trite song I always skip over, and I'm not really keen on "She's Leaving Home", either...I think the vocal melodies are forced and clumsy. And I'd have to say it's criminal that "Not Guilty" was bumped from the White Album while "Wild Honey Pie" was kept. I think the "..Bird Can Sing" Byrd-sy arragement on Anthology is way cool..a shame George Martin dubbed on the silly laughter, though. My ten cents...

brammy · Post by **brammy** » Wed May 03, 2006 5:13 pm

http://www.billpetro.com/culturevulture/

In 1964s Goldfinger, Sean Connery chides his golden girl Jill Masterson when the champagne loses its chill. "My dear girl, there are some things that just arent done, such as drinking Dom Perignon 53 above the temperature of 38 degrees Fahrenheit. Thats just as bad as listening to the Beatles without earmuffs!"

studiotwosession · Post by **studiotwosession** » Wed May 03, 2006 5:56 pm

Jo, I think it's funny that Lennon always had an issue when Macca stepped into his territory (which probably led to the latter's writing Let Me Roll it and tracking it as he did.) Of course, Macca let it rip during the Little Richard covers so clearly it was something he was keen on doing...screaming a bit. Also funny because, according to Paul, Lennon said Here There was Macca's best song on Revolver. She's Leaving always intrigued me. I have always wondered what Macca tracked his voice to. Guitar? Piano? What did he write the music on? The GF quote is funny. I'm glad the Fantastic Five met the Beatles. I hope the latter didn't confuse them with the Rolling Stones.

rictified · Post by **rictified** » Wed May 03, 2006 6:40 pm

I read somewhere that McCartney made his voice hoarse on purpose for Oh Darling, I think it's a great song with a great performance but sounds strained which I guess is what he wanted to do unless that story was BS to cover up the fact that it does sound strained and Lennon criticized it for that reason. I actually think Lennon would have done it better myself, he had a great soulful rock voice. I thought Mac did a great job on I'm Down as far as rocking goes. They could both rock when it came right down to it. We should be talking about how great they were not their supposed worst stuff which is still better than 99% of most other bands entire catalogue.

lennonon · Post by **lennonon** » Wed May 03, 2006 7:13 pm

I never got how the whole Let Me Roll It was a "response" to How Do You sleep or some kind of lampoon of Lennon. Just 'cause Macca used bathroom echo on his vocals? What else goes into this story? Anyone?

shamustwin · Post by **shamustwin** » Thu May 04, 2006 7:52 am

Ooops, it wasn't the FF! Hadn't looked in a while.

rictified · Post by **rictified** » Thu May 04, 2006 6:20 pm

When I first heard Let Me Roll It I thought it was Lennon, he had the production down to a T.

lennonon · Post by **lennonon** » Thu May 04, 2006 6:31 pm

Seems like an odd way to respond. With "production".

I don't know.

wayang · Post by **wayang** » Fri May 05, 2006 7:09 am

"Flying"??? "...just a piece of simplistic filler"??? "...replaced with a 'real' song..."???????

Oh, Brammy...sometimes I think all our disagreements just boil down to the difference between beer and ganj...

shamustwin · Post by **shamustwin** » Fri May 05, 2006 7:32 am

If there was still a rivalry Between Lennon and McCartney ( I don't know), I could see where he could rub John's nose in it by totally copying Lennon's style.
Let Me Roll It is in the '50's style, which Lennon seemed to revert after the fabs, it's soaked in Lennonesque reverb. It has a Lennon vibe. If you're into such theories, it very well could be a "here, I can do you" game.
Or, Macca just might have liked John's stuff of the time and wanted to pay homage. Not everything is of a sinister nature.
I think it's one of Macca's best of the period. The competition between them was always for the better.