Mike Rutherford's 4001S - On video!

henny · Post by **henny** » Sun Jun 04, 2006 10:09 pm

http://youtube.com/watch?v=SDwyBWjfFaM&search=Gabriel%20live

Sounds great.

grayk · Post by **grayk** » Mon Jun 05, 2006 1:26 am

Does sound good,very classic Ric. Hes a better bass player than guitarist in my opinion. Collins was making the drumming look effortless. Also a very odd look for Gabriel in that period!

rickaddict · Post by **rickaddict** » Mon Jun 05, 2006 6:24 am

And people used to pay to see that?!

rictified · Post by **rictified** » Mon Jun 05, 2006 7:09 am

Many thoughts after viewing that clip. Great classic Prog Rock Ric sound and great player for that style of music. I only liked certain songs by them as most of them seemed disjointed to me although I bet they were great live, The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway was my favorite as it was many peoples'.
The world would have been a better place if Collins had stuck to drumming.
And finally Gabriel looked like a whirling dervish and his wierd antics detracted from the performance IMHO, great voice though.

henry5 · Post by **henry5** » Mon Jun 05, 2006 7:21 am

Ahh, I love that band. That's the sort of sound I think of when I think Rick Bass; hopeless for some things but wonderful for aggressive melodic playing. And yes, Phil was great, although I liked his singing in Genesis too; it was just later on I lost interest.

Bob, I remember when I first saw footage of Gabriel in Genesis (it was after Collins I hasten to add, I first got into them around 77 so I was used to Collins) I was a bit freaked out initially. But now he's kind of like your favourite aunt....

rickcrazy · Post by **rickcrazy** » Mon Jun 05, 2006 10:44 am

Ahh the '70s, when Ricks sounded like they should.

Er... Was that Gabriel aping Gabriel?

jps · Post by **jps** » Mon Jun 05, 2006 11:07 am

I saw them do that many times when they came through town. In small halls, too, so I was close enough to catch lots of the action.

grayk · Post by **grayk** » Mon Jun 05, 2006 11:14 am

Looked a bit like Eno did slightly later on to me Sergio. A very odd image....lets hope it doesnt make a comeback. I think he was a bit nervous in those days and liked a costume to hide behind. Ohhhh the good old days of punk when people looked a little more normal !! Ha Ha. But on a more serious note I do believe Peter Gabriel to be one of the finest singer/songwriters that has ever lived. I would add that I have much preferred his solo career to his Genesis years. Good taste in bass playing personnel as well. Shame Levin never used a Ric...did he ever ? He would suit one I think.

atomic_punk · Post by **atomic_punk** » Mon Jun 05, 2006 11:20 am

How small is that stage? It looks like Gabriel is going to trip over Phil's bass drum!
He must have been getting tons of bleed-thru on his vocal mic.

dswp · Post by **dswp** » Mon Jun 05, 2006 12:11 pm

Pete plays a mean kick drum.....

edski · Post by **edski** » Mon Jun 05, 2006 1:18 pm

Most of these Youtube videos are interesting from a historical perspective, but I'd stop short saying it sounds great.

Unless you are talking solely about the bass tone - what little of it can be heard.

The Genesis tunes where the Rick shines through always made me smile.

For a non Genesis fan I can see where a song like that could be seen as disjointed. I suppose it really is; that was the way of a lot of their tunes from that period. IMO it wasn't until "Selling England By The Pound" that their compositions began to have more flow, but even then there were starts and stops on that album. "Dancing With The Moonlit Knight" still retains some of that jumpiness that "Hogweed" displays...but songs like "Battle of Epping Forest" and "Cinema Show" on that album start to show a maturity that peaks with Lamb...

BTW, the bass tone in Epping Forest is PURE RICK.

This must have been the Foxtrot tour...there's a picture of Gabriel on that album with that freaky "reverse mohawk" hair style ("style" used loosely).

rictified · Post by **rictified** » Mon Jun 05, 2006 1:26 pm

I once read that Levin used a Ric on Double Fantasy at Lennon's request, it sounds like a capped 4001 too. I forgot when and where I read it.

johnallg · Post by **johnallg** » Mon Jun 05, 2006 3:16 pm

The first time I saw Genesis was on Ed Sullivan and Gabriel was done up in a Mikado-type face paint with a large cape that had a Queen Elizabeth-type high collar. Sure opened my eyes, and I very much remember noticing Rutherford playing the Rick. Loved the tone and look. I do not remember the tune but they were just breaking over here.

bobcat · Post by **bobcat** » Mon Jun 05, 2006 3:46 pm

"but songs like "Battle of Epping Forest" and "Cinema Show" on that album start to show a maturity that peaks with Lamb..."

"Cinema Show" is one of my absolute favorite songs of all time. It is without a doubt one of the most beautiful pieces of music I've ever heard.

I love Rutherford's bass playing in Genesis, especially on "Selling England By The Pound" and "The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway". His bass on Lamb sounds a lot like a Ric, even though it's not. I guess he was just good at "that" sound.

jps · Post by **jps** » Mon Jun 05, 2006 3:53 pm

The first time I saw Genesis was on their first US tour in April '72. They were the opening act for It's A Beautiful Day. Foxtrot was their latest release, and they opened the show with Watcher Of The Skies. Peter's hair style was quite unique as he had the front half of his hair shaved in a long triangle from his forehead to the top of his head! I guess it worked with some of his headpieces that he wore with the various costumes. The face paint he wore was a flourescent butterfly that lit up with a blacklight tube that layed across the front of the stage. This was very effective when the band first came on and started Watcher Of The Skies with his bat wings being silhouetted against the dark blue lit curtain backdrop and his face glowing from the blacklight, along with the rainbow of colors inside his held open cape. I remember it like it was last night, it was so impressionable. Those were the glory days of Genesis, as far as I see it.