Well, at least we're getting this all out in the open...Glenn, for one, respects Bob Welch...and Yes makes him hurl. That's gonna have some of us scratching our heads for a while, Glenn, but thank you for sharing...
Let's say, purely conjecturally, that I've had my mind changed by this discussion. Okay, then, here goes: 'Boots' Randolph could have 'taken' Charlie Parker, whose 'gimmicky' sax playing and long, self-indulgent soloing make him ineligible for inclusion in the Pantheon of Real Saxophone Talent...the King of which would indisputably have to be recognized as Kenny G...
Have I got that about right?
John as a guitarist?
It cracks me up when people say about a rock 'n roll/pop "oh, he can't sing". What da ya want, Celine Dion???
Who cares if a singer can hit every note perfectly? I want emotion, and and an original approach, if possible.
Neil Young, Bob Dylan, John Lennon, Joe Strummer, Patti Smith, Lou Reed, Tom Waits, Elvis Costello, etc...all "can't sing", according to someone. But they are all fantastic.
Or maybe you'd rather listen to Phil Collins whine, or that wimpy singer from Yes.
Each to their own.
Personally, I love EC, though I agree with you Glenn, I miss the Attractions. This Year's Model, Armed Forces, Get Happy! and Imperial Bedroom are my four favourite from his early career.
Who cares if a singer can hit every note perfectly? I want emotion, and and an original approach, if possible.
Neil Young, Bob Dylan, John Lennon, Joe Strummer, Patti Smith, Lou Reed, Tom Waits, Elvis Costello, etc...all "can't sing", according to someone. But they are all fantastic.
Or maybe you'd rather listen to Phil Collins whine, or that wimpy singer from Yes.
Each to their own.
Personally, I love EC, though I agree with you Glenn, I miss the Attractions. This Year's Model, Armed Forces, Get Happy! and Imperial Bedroom are my four favourite from his early career.
How much!?!
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Very true, Mick, regarding singing.
Somewhere, in the not to distant part of this thread, someone was lamenting the sad state of pop music, among other things, in the 70s. I will no longer bag on any said groups from the 70s in this thread. But suffice it to say, I agree with that earlier poster.
Of course all this is just a matter of taste. I never bought a Welch record, but at least he can say he never played in Asia (the band, not the continent.)
Somewhere, in the not to distant part of this thread, someone was lamenting the sad state of pop music, among other things, in the 70s. I will no longer bag on any said groups from the 70s in this thread. But suffice it to say, I agree with that earlier poster.
Of course all this is just a matter of taste. I never bought a Welch record, but at least he can say he never played in Asia (the band, not the continent.)
This is off the record
Actually Mick I if you would permit me to add an observation to your comment on your singing. All those people can actually sing, some of them don't have perfect pitch, however.
But who cares? No one is perfect. If they motivate you sufficiently to remember their music and perhaps even sing along then they have been successful.
I consider john Lennon to be, among many things, a great singer and one of the worlds greatest rhythm guitarists, who on occasion showed us flashes of brilliance playing lead.
But who cares? No one is perfect. If they motivate you sufficiently to remember their music and perhaps even sing along then they have been successful.
I consider john Lennon to be, among many things, a great singer and one of the worlds greatest rhythm guitarists, who on occasion showed us flashes of brilliance playing lead.
“We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them.” - Albert Einstein
"You do not really understand something unless you can explain it to your grandmother" - Albert Einstein
"You do not really understand something unless you can explain it to your grandmother" - Albert Einstein
And by the way, that 'wimpy' singer in Yes had plenty of emotion, and an original approach, did he not?
Of course, there ensued a whole bunch of dreadful 'copycats' (that insufferable Styx clown, the guys in Starcastle, and even, dare I say it, the ear-splitting 'stylings' of Geddy Lee)...whose approaches were anything but original...
As a result, by the end of the seventies, I was thanking all the gods for Waits, Beefheart, Zappa...anybody whose highest range fell somewhere below 'Middle C'...
Of course, there ensued a whole bunch of dreadful 'copycats' (that insufferable Styx clown, the guys in Starcastle, and even, dare I say it, the ear-splitting 'stylings' of Geddy Lee)...whose approaches were anything but original...
As a result, by the end of the seventies, I was thanking all the gods for Waits, Beefheart, Zappa...anybody whose highest range fell somewhere below 'Middle C'...
I didn't get where I am today by being on time...
Jon Anderson is a great singer IMHO. Apparently Chris Squire thinks so as well. That's good enough confirmation for me. Chris is the ultimate bass player, again IMO.
Here's an interesting story excerpt courtesy of Wilkapedia:
"Nicknamed "Napoleon" by his bandmates for his diminutive stature and leadership of Yes, Anderson was fond of experimenting within the band, also adding to the conflict. He originally wanted to record the album Tales From Topographic Oceans in the middle of the woods, and instead decided to put hay and animal cut-outs all over the recording studio, causing lice to infest one of Rick Wakeman's keyboards. In another incident, Anderson had tiles installed in the studio, to simulate the echo effect of one's vocals in a bathroom."
So now we know why some people on this forum have a preoccupation with playing their Rickenbacker in a bathroom. LOL
Here's an interesting story excerpt courtesy of Wilkapedia:
"Nicknamed "Napoleon" by his bandmates for his diminutive stature and leadership of Yes, Anderson was fond of experimenting within the band, also adding to the conflict. He originally wanted to record the album Tales From Topographic Oceans in the middle of the woods, and instead decided to put hay and animal cut-outs all over the recording studio, causing lice to infest one of Rick Wakeman's keyboards. In another incident, Anderson had tiles installed in the studio, to simulate the echo effect of one's vocals in a bathroom."
So now we know why some people on this forum have a preoccupation with playing their Rickenbacker in a bathroom. LOL
“We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them.” - Albert Einstein
"You do not really understand something unless you can explain it to your grandmother" - Albert Einstein
"You do not really understand something unless you can explain it to your grandmother" - Albert Einstein
I don't particularly think I am easy Mick.
My old bandmates will tell you that I am a cross between Attila the Hun and Mozart in terms of dedication to my craft, perseverance and striving to achieve something that is a semblance of perfection. We never achieved those lofty goals but we had fun trying, well, at least I did. So! Easy? Not me obviously.
Of course I am not really like Attila the Hun he was a bit more aggressive when it came to controlling his empire and Mozart was in a class of his own and much cleverer than I... so take what I said with a grain of salt.
But it's all good fun.
My old bandmates will tell you that I am a cross between Attila the Hun and Mozart in terms of dedication to my craft, perseverance and striving to achieve something that is a semblance of perfection. We never achieved those lofty goals but we had fun trying, well, at least I did. So! Easy? Not me obviously.
Of course I am not really like Attila the Hun he was a bit more aggressive when it came to controlling his empire and Mozart was in a class of his own and much cleverer than I... so take what I said with a grain of salt.
But it's all good fun.
“We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them.” - Albert Einstein
"You do not really understand something unless you can explain it to your grandmother" - Albert Einstein
"You do not really understand something unless you can explain it to your grandmother" - Albert Einstein
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>>>The question is, do you look back for the trash or do you look back for what you consider the good stuff?
excellent point. As for the late 70's, lets not forget Blondie who's early stuff was GREAT rock'n'roll pop .... (plus I had a serious woody for Debbie Harry, much tho the annoyance of my then girlfriend, but thats another story). Blondie emerged from the NYC punk scene which in large part was a back-to-the-basics reaction to the overly produced, artificial, and saccarine disco scene.
And things go round and round and round. As long as we're talking about the development of musical styles, I'll go on record as being an old fuddy-duddy: I hate hiphop and rap. IMHO most of it isn't even music and should be put in some other catagory, like "Fast Poems With A Drum machine"... FAPOWAD if you like, but I'd prefer to call it CRAPOWAD. Like I said, I'm an old fogie and proud of it.
All in all, this thread has turned into one of the more interesting discussions I've seen on this site.
excellent point. As for the late 70's, lets not forget Blondie who's early stuff was GREAT rock'n'roll pop .... (plus I had a serious woody for Debbie Harry, much tho the annoyance of my then girlfriend, but thats another story). Blondie emerged from the NYC punk scene which in large part was a back-to-the-basics reaction to the overly produced, artificial, and saccarine disco scene.
And things go round and round and round. As long as we're talking about the development of musical styles, I'll go on record as being an old fuddy-duddy: I hate hiphop and rap. IMHO most of it isn't even music and should be put in some other catagory, like "Fast Poems With A Drum machine"... FAPOWAD if you like, but I'd prefer to call it CRAPOWAD. Like I said, I'm an old fogie and proud of it.
All in all, this thread has turned into one of the more interesting discussions I've seen on this site.
“The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it.” ....H. L. Mencken
Blondie was cool. Deborah Harry was a bomb. She was a cool artist in every respect and the girl could sing.
Yep! I have to agree with you on that observation Kent.
Yep! I have to agree with you on that observation Kent.
“We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them.” - Albert Einstein
"You do not really understand something unless you can explain it to your grandmother" - Albert Einstein
"You do not really understand something unless you can explain it to your grandmother" - Albert Einstein
>>>'Boots' Randolph could have 'taken' Charlie Parker, whose 'gimmicky' sax playing and long, self-indulgent soloing make him ineligible for inclusion in the Pantheon of Real Saxophone Talent...the King of which would indisputably have to be recognized as Kenny G...
Interesting way of putting it, Dane. It might be summed up by saying "everything is relative", except for your mention of Kenny G. .... now I'M about to hurl.
Interesting way of putting it, Dane. It might be summed up by saying "everything is relative", except for your mention of Kenny G. .... now I'M about to hurl.
“The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it.” ....H. L. Mencken
Wow this young Korean fellow is amazing. Thanks Glenn for the heads up.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ciPI5knxOlw
The guitarist is Jeong-Hyun Lim, a 23-year-old Korean who taught himself guitar over the course of the last six years.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ciPI5knxOlw
The guitarist is Jeong-Hyun Lim, a 23-year-old Korean who taught himself guitar over the course of the last six years.
“We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them.” - Albert Einstein
"You do not really understand something unless you can explain it to your grandmother" - Albert Einstein
"You do not really understand something unless you can explain it to your grandmother" - Albert Einstein