Greg Lake with a RM1999?

leftybass · Post by **leftybass** » Fri Oct 20, 2006 11:39 am

Pete, was Lodge's bass a Rickenbacker 1999?

jwr2 · Post by **jwr2** » Fri Oct 20, 2006 4:24 pm

I thought Lodge played a p-bass

jojo99 · Post by **jojo99** » Sat Oct 21, 2006 1:59 am

>For the record, Michael Giles is a lost wonder. An >incredibly amazing drummer. It's a shame the world >didn't hear much more from him.

Fripp said of him back in '69 that "no one could touch him" at the time...he really was a forerunner of prog drumming, with that sensitive tight snare sound that Bruford and Palmer went to town with (I've always wondered what Bruford thought of him...Giles' recorded sound at least had to have been an influence.)
I remember reading an anecdote of how Mike Giles auditioned for Fripp back in the early 90's--- he had heard Fripp was assembling a new lineup and he was interested in being back in Crimson (Fripp at the time had decided to no longer include Bruford for whatever reason). Someone present commented on how Giles had arrived with all his drums haphazardly crammed into a small hatchback car, and the cymbals were still mounted to the stands (I can just picture Giles wrestling them out, nonchalantly with a cigarette dangling from his mouth, cussing/muttering under his breath, totally unaware that the 90's Fripp would NEVER hire a smoker). Needless to say he didn't get his old job back...

clankchris · Post by **clankchris** » Sun Oct 22, 2006 2:24 am

I am a relatively new fan of Crimson, and I feel like I just discovered a whole new dimension of music...it feels like I just discovered Rock and Roll again!

...and John Wetton's tones from the albums Red and Starless and Bible Black are nothing short of awesome.

jwr2 · Post by **jwr2** » Sun Oct 22, 2006 5:52 am

Ya King Crimson ranges from incredibly very cool to embarrassingly bad ... they have had an long list of very talented musicians play with the group ... and Giles was a very good drummer ... that first album came out of nowhere with a whole different sound ... very innovative ... but the track "Moonchild" is one of those embarrassing tracks ... and I also love Wetton's bass playing ...

seyesbass · Post by **seyesbass** » Sun Oct 22, 2006 8:26 am

Hi Lefty,
Yes the Lodge bass was a 1999 and theres a fuzzy pic of it on our website.www.seyes.co.uk
And yes again he did have a Precision on just about all the tv stuff from those days.

bob_atherton · Post by **bob_atherton** » Sun Oct 22, 2006 8:30 am

Jeff, I beg to differ. I think Moonchild is a great track, especially the very drawn out , ambient middle passage. It really fits well into the running order and sets the scene for the rest of the album. In fact In The Court... to me is so very special that I will only play it when I know that I can hear the whole album, to me it has to be in my top 10 albums of all time.

jwr2 · Post by **jwr2** » Sun Oct 22, 2006 9:21 am

"In The Court of the Crimson King" is one of my favorite albums as well ... but Moonchild sounds like a bunch of preschoolers let loose in the studio making noise with anything they can find ...

bob_atherton · Post by **bob_atherton** » Sun Oct 22, 2006 10:47 am

Ah well... I honestly do find the piece in context with the rest of the album. Well ahead of its time IMHO. Shame that record companies don't take the same sort of chances today.

If we all agreed on everything it would be a so boring.

jwr2 · Post by **jwr2** » Sun Oct 22, 2006 4:45 pm

I went and listened to it again ... it is not as bad as I remembered ... they did stuff like that later with Bruford and Wetton and it worked a lot better ... notice in the spaced out section of Moonchild there is no bass ... if you remove the drum track and then add distortion to Fripp's guitar, then add Bruford on drums and Wetton's distorted bass and you would have a cool track ... not unlike Providence or Starless from Red ...

I think in Moonchild they were trying to do an almost a Weather Report type of atonal music ... a style they perfected a few years later ...

bobcat · Post by **bobcat** » Sun Oct 22, 2006 9:32 pm

I am actually of the opinion that King Crimson have few to no "embarassments" . . . I can name several tracks that I dislike, or that I don't particularly listen to often ("Devil's Triangle" is amazing, but I'm almost never in the mood to hear it), but I can't think of a single "bad" song that they've ever done. Contrary to many people's opinions, I think "Beat" and "Three of a Perfect Pair" are amazing records without a weak spot on them . . . "Beat" also has one of the greatest album covers of all time.

I think "Lark's Tongues in Aspic" could be named "Moonchild: The Album". They're doing the same stuff, but heavier. And with a gorilla suit.

bob_atherton · Post by **bob_atherton** » Sun Oct 22, 2006 10:37 pm

Robert, I was lucky enough to see Crimson do the Larks Tongue In Aspic tour at the Colston Hall in Bristol, UK. Jamie Muir was in his gorilla suit and playing anything one could shake a stick at including a bowl of pistachio shells.

Jeff, don't get me wrong I'm not saying Moonchild is one of the best things that they ever did, because IMO its not. Its just that over the years the track has become more accessible to me and where as I might have lifted the stylus on that track back in the 70's I now let the album play through. I think the Mellotron on that album is about as good as the instrument gets, along with The Beatles Strawbery Fields.

ilan · Post by **ilan** » Sun Oct 22, 2006 11:09 pm

"...and John Wetton's tones from the albums Red and Starless and Bible Black are nothing short of awesome.

I think I spent most of age 16 learning his parts on these albums. When I got into Red, graphic equalizers were new, and I had a bass amp custom built for me with a 10-band graphig EQ because I thought I'd be able to copy Wetton's tone with it...

Moonchild to me is a great little song that brings back good memories from my teens, until the song turns into a cacophony. That's why in the burned-CD version I have in my car, that part is gone.

bob_atherton · Post by **bob_atherton** » Sun Oct 22, 2006 11:23 pm

Ilan, I can understand why you did that if it is playing in your car! To me that album is only for late night, no background noise, mellow state etc:

wints · Post by **wints** » Mon Oct 23, 2006 2:25 pm

Pete has had some cool basses!