JangleBox Thread - What Happened To It??

lawton · Post by **lawton** » Sat Nov 04, 2006 5:05 pm

Drummers that actually pay attention to the rhythm player, though (i.e., Ringo) are pretty good, eh?

admin · Post by **admin** » Sat Nov 04, 2006 5:07 pm

Todd: I really enjoyed Queen Jane and it was great to hear the effect of which you speak in your comments above. An interesting sound that adds a different dimension to guitar playing for sure. I have seldom used compression with my acoustic, however, it is time I did.

jingle_jangle · Post by **jingle_jangle** » Sat Nov 04, 2006 5:35 pm

Lawton, read my post a bit more carefully. It was addressing the issue of clone Teles and LPs vs. Rickenbacker copies.

Period.

I've had some experience with defending my designs against infringement, being the holder of seven mechanical patents, which incidentally, I've let lapse because their commercial applications are long since gone.

Anyway, mechanical patents are in many ways easier to enforce than are design patents. Trade dress is another issue entirely, and I apologize if I mislead anyone down another alley with my own comments.

A black box with red and white lettering violates nothing and would be in most cases unprotectable...it's apparently what's inside that is at issue, and I'll bow out now, knowing next to nothing about what's going on in the mysterious world of electrons and the space between...

simer4001 · Post by **simer4001** » Sat Nov 04, 2006 5:43 pm

Don't do that Paul. "They" say you learn something new everyday. If it wasn't for you "they" would be wrong in my case.

alecstar · Post by **alecstar** » Sat Nov 04, 2006 8:24 pm

Paul, Thanks for the English lesson. You are correct. I did mean copyright. I understand that Rickenbacker wants to protect the RM circuit design and certainly do not blame them. The question remains is the JangleBox design a copy of it or not. In the thread that got erased John Hall said he requested and never received the schematics for the JangleBox. My suggestion was if you are not getting the schematics you requested then buy one and open it up and find out for yourself. I am not an engineer but it makes sense that it would be a pretty quick way to get an answer and a cheaper alternative to starting litigation to find out. I will tell you that I am a consumer and if the people that designed this compressor do not want to offer it and somebody else does... then I will buy it. It's alot cheaper than buying an overpriced RM guitar just to get the electronics. And nobody really knows if it is the same circuit. JangleBox insists it's not. People obviously like the unit and if I were Rickenbacker I would make my own. I am in sales and I will tell you this... if you are not going to sell a commodity that somebody wants then don't be surprised when somebody else does. Why Rickenbacker has been sitting on something alot of people want is beyond me. I have read alot of things on this forum and wonder if Rickenbacker pays any attention to the suggestions of it's consumers. I have only delved into the 12 string area but I have consistently read... Why don't you use a 12 saddle bridge on all 12 strings? Why not make the neck a little wider so that everybody can play it and not have to send out for special modifications so that you can? While on hold on a call to Rickenbacker I was listening to a taped interview with George Harrison talking about his 12 string with the skinny neck and how the high and low E strings fell off the fret board. And thats a guy with skinny fingers. That seems to be a major complaint not just here but on reviews I have read elsewhere as well. My point being that if you do not give people what they want then they will go elsewhere for it. And don't be surprised or angry when they do especially if you could have prevented it by "listening" to begin with. That's just common sense. I do have a question. Does any body own a RM guitar and have a JangleBox that can answer if these units are similar sounding or not?

jingle_jangle · Post by **jingle_jangle** » Sat Nov 04, 2006 9:55 pm

Mitch, my friend, that was no English lesson. It was a "clarification".

As I said before, let your eyes wander over the many, many threads that present themselves when the "Topics" hyperlink is activated by your cursor.

This Forum has had well over a million hits since Peter fired it up many moons ago, and many of those hits were constructive contributions to debates and discussions on the very points which you raise in your posts.

All of the questions in your above post have been discussed at length in the last two years alone.

If we've shared one view, it's this:

There are no simple answers.

mfb · Post by **mfb** » Sun Nov 05, 2006 1:54 am

Interesting thread.

I mean, if a little electronic circuit is a taboo because it makes your guitar sound a bit more like the sound of a Rickenbacker played by McGuinn or Harrison, well never mind, go get a Line6, or a Behringer even, or, heck, even one of those new Yamaha-Vox things.

Wasn't it actually the sound of some Rickenbacker or Gretsch, or whatever, played through a VOX that made it so special?

No problem.

jimbunch · Post by **jimbunch** » Sun Nov 05, 2006 5:38 am

"Now what is it about the JangleBox that makes the Rickenbacker experience more fulfilling?"

My Ric 660/12 or 360/12 plus Fender Twin Reverb plus JangleBox nails the Byrds and Beatles 12 string sound better than anything else I have tried. It makes my Rickenbacker experience even more enjoyable when I play those Beatle and Byrd songs.

trancedental · Post by **trancedental** » Sun Nov 05, 2006 6:04 am

I still can't work this all out as there is a site somewhere on the net I can't remember where exactly that has a type of compression/treble boost kit that is fitted inside a Rick 12 string, there is the RMcG 12 String edition with on board compression & the Jangle box!

All I want to know is what Roger McGuinn used in the '60's in the early days (LA2 studio compression?) & when did he have all that kit installed (compression/treble boost) installed in his Rickenbacker? Was that in the '60's also?

johnhall · Post by **johnhall** » Sun Nov 05, 2006 6:50 am

And nobody really knows if it is the same circuit. JangleBox insists it's not.

That's the only thing in Mitch's post I've never heard yet before. Everything else has been discussed ad nauseam, and in many cases, long before this forum was founded.

teb · Post by **teb** » Sun Nov 05, 2006 6:55 am

Was it this one with the Vox treble booster circuit? They don't mention the word "compression" but do claim that it's like the original mod.
http://www.tonewerks.com/page2.html

tony_carey · Post by **tony_carey** » Sun Nov 05, 2006 8:02 am

This is a really interesting thread & I admit that I have never heard a Janglebox....I'd like too, but I would add that if you put a Ric through a great valve amp (like a Marshall!), then the valves act as natural compressors.....a great valve amp, with the best gtr in the world, will guarantee a GREAT, GREAT sound.

marctrain57 · Post by **marctrain57** » Sun Nov 05, 2006 8:23 am

Interesting thread both on the gear and the politics of the situation. I have no idea if the Jangle Box is like the RM circuit. I have a jangle Box, and it is a great compressor. Haven't heard McQuinn play his RM live since I saw the Byrds live in the day. But if it is a pirated design I would never have bought it and don't respect any company that would do that. Its the same as stealing.

johnhall · Post by **johnhall** » Sun Nov 05, 2006 8:56 am

Marc, we don't know that it IS pirated; it was the company's own literature that suggested it, along with some further comments from Roger himself.

Roger has also said that he had good results using a POD. I posted this comment from him on our site:

"I did use a POD for a while but was having problems with it losing its settings between sound check and the concert. It's a bit tricky to get the "Byrds Sound" with it but here's what I set it for:

Brit Blues, Delay/Compression, 2X12 speakers, Output level: 5, Drive: 0,
Bass: 8, Middle: 3, Treble: 5, Chan Vol: 10, Reverb: 2.5, Effect Tweak: 6.25.

Just mess around with it close to those settings and see if you can get it sounding they way you like."

Given the POD (and the various improved versions of it) can do so much more, I would think the Line 6 product would be a more logical and cost effective choice.

trancedental · Post by **trancedental** » Sun Nov 05, 2006 9:19 am

"Was it this one with the Vox treble booster circuit? They don't mention the word "compression" but do claim that it's like the original mod.
http://www.tonewerks.com/page2.html"

Todd that was the one, I had seen before! Cheers.