JangleBox Thread - What Happened To It??

godber · Post by **godber** » Thu Nov 09, 2006 7:38 am

Thanks John (B), I'll try that.

steambyrd · Post by **steambyrd** » Thu Nov 09, 2006 9:12 am

I have both a 370/12 RM and the JangleBox. I have done an A/B comparison; the 370 with all the different settings on the built in compressor, and then "straight" with the Janglebox only. While you can get comparable compression, to my ears the sounds just aren't quite the same. I like them both, but it sure is nice to have the JB as a separate unit to use with my 360/12 and my 370/6 so I can leave my 370/12 RM at home when I gig. I haven't taken my McGuinn apart or my JB to compare them physically, and I see no need to do so.

jdogric12 · Post by **jdogric12** » Thu Nov 09, 2006 9:15 am

I think I'm done reading this thread. Geez, people.

ozover50 · Post by **ozover50** » Thu Nov 09, 2006 9:45 am

I agree.... let it go. Let's find another bone to chew on.

jingle_jangle · Post by **jingle_jangle** » Thu Nov 09, 2006 12:23 pm

Double amen. This is the longest running chafe I've ever subscribed to.

wrenchenbacker · Post by **wrenchenbacker** » Thu Nov 09, 2006 1:34 pm

Yeah, I am so out of here. Am I the last one out the door... Again? ;<)

ozover50 · Post by **ozover50** » Thu Nov 09, 2006 1:43 pm

Er..... don't forget to set the alarm and turn out the lights, Macca.

arrow201 · Post by **arrow201** » Sat Nov 11, 2006 4:06 pm

creeeeeeek...opening the door for a bit...

Wasn't going to make anymore remarks, but FYI, Ric has removed their RM board
schematic from their site and this affects my earlier post. On this page:

http://www.rickresource.com/cgi-bin/discus/discus.cgi?pg=next&topic=7&page=125998

I used for comparisons Rics own link to their schematic: http://www.rickenbacker.com/pdfs/19515.pdf

This was a valid link at the time of my post, but has since been removed
(at least at the time of this writing) ...it's obvious why.

Notice other schems are still up ie:
http://www.rickenbacker.com/pdfs/19514.pdf
http://www.rickenbacker.com/pdfs/19515.pdf <---- nope, RM circuit board schematic now gone
http://www.rickenbacker.com/pdfs/19516.pdf

>But I can’t reconcile in my mind how the existence of a second party compressor or one made/sold by RIC diminishes
>the value of a guitar model that includes a compressor while at the same time Mr. JH himself has often
>(here and elsewhere) touted the merits of the Line 6 Pod device.
I agree. Though I understand Mr.Hall wants to protect our Rics (an admirable quality), I just don't think how the
JangleBox would in anyway effect the value of the 360RM. As already pointed out, Mr.Hall finds the Line 6 to do a
good job, no one will seek out an RM, _just_ for its compressor sound, when many compressors do a good job. The 360RM
is sought out for the _whole_ guitar itself as a package. JangleBox or not, i would seek out a RM model if i wanted
one. Maybe there's more to this then us general posters know ...maybe dislike issues with JangleBox owner(s?) on a
personal level ...maybe Mr.Hall wants to give money to his lawyers

...one can only speculate.

BTW, sure, i'm not a lawyer...but copyright law facts can be found on the US Government site itself:
ie: http://www.copyright.gov/help/faq/faq-protect.html#what_protect
"Copyright does not protect ideas, concepts, systems, or methods of doing something. You may express your ideas in
writing or drawings and claim copyright in your description, but be aware that copyright will not protect the idea
itself as revealed in your written or artistic work"

...this _IS_ the US law

jingle_jangle · Post by **jingle_jangle** » Sat Nov 11, 2006 4:20 pm

So, Gordon, what's your point except gossip and insinuation, which seems to have tainted this thread and made it unpleasant for some of us to read?

britye · Post by **britye** » Sat Nov 11, 2006 4:31 pm

unpleasant is a good description.

arrow201 · Post by **arrow201** » Sat Nov 11, 2006 5:08 pm

>So, Gordon, what's your point except gossip and insinuation, which seems to have tainted
>this thread and made it unpleasant for some of us to read?

3 points:

1) For anyone who's catching up, reads my previous post and wonders
why i'm pointing to, what is now, an invalid link

2) Why i dont think the JangleBox will hurt the value of the 360RM

3) What the law is, as spelled out, by the US Government's own website

Sorry if I didn't articulate properly, I'm not insinuating anything...i stated
"one can only speculate", meaning one can _only_ gossip with no facts,
i thought this would have been noted by my non-serious "..wants to give money to
his lawyers" comment, which is just a joke

alecstar · Post by **alecstar** » Sun Nov 12, 2006 6:35 am

Gordon, I for one, think you have made some interesting comments. This is a discussion format and we are all free to offer our opinions as long as they do not go into attack mode and get ugly. There have been a lot of posts on this subject with a lot of opinions. In lieu of having facts we all speculate to some degree. There is a fine line between speculation and insinuation and I'm speculating that you will come down on the side of the fence whose points that you agree with on whether you think it's speculating or insinuating. I have asked John Hall at least three times why he does not buy a JangleBox and look inside it and then he will get his answer and in turn END all the speculation on the RM circuit.... No reponse. Now that begs the question ...Why hasn't he responded? Now the question with no answer is up for speculation. (EX. Maybe he already obtained a JangleBox and it's not like the RM circuit as JangleBox claims) It's a valid question that continually goes unanswered. I know he reads this forum regularly because he posts regularly... including a couple of posts on this thread that started on a thread that was deleted. This thread will only resurface down the road. The really sad thing is that the answer is easily available to RIC.

sloop_john_b · Post by **sloop_john_b** » Sun Nov 12, 2006 7:18 am

Maybe he's broke.

jingle_jangle · Post by **jingle_jangle** » Sun Nov 12, 2006 9:11 am

I don't see this as too humorous, John, but appreciate your attempt at lightening things up a bit.

Gordon, thanks for underscoring my point re: gossip and speculation.

Mitch: Why not just let it ride? Why gnaw on this bone after at least two of us have cited your repeated harping on this as unpleasant? Whats the point of drilling and drilling?

My own take on this, is that it just is not that important to anyone but you. You will notice an expression of distaste at this approach to this subject matter, and a lack of participation in the discussion, thereby leading to a lack of expansion of this thread.

To keep pushing your agenda, on the possibility of raising a hue and cry, seems to me to be self-important and arrogant. Why should the CEO of the corporation who builds these wonderful instruments, engage in a debate on a topic that only interests you, or answer your questions?

This is a Forum for the promotion and celebration of all things Rickenbacker. I, for one, would like to see it kept that way. When you sought advice, we responded. But this negativity and verbal sparring accomplishes nothing except to make you look arrogant, self-important, and narrow-minded.

sowhat · Post by **sowhat** » Sun Nov 12, 2006 10:10 am

With all respect due, Mitch... that's their (i mean RIC) business, and they run it the way they feel the most appropriate. Whether we like it or not. They may just see little point in doing what you advise to do.