The funniest quotes of rockstars about the Beatles

simer4001 · Post by **simer4001** » Sat Nov 18, 2006 11:23 am

I'm not "equating quality of output with popularity". I'm equating what I like with what I don't like. As with all of us, I have varying degrees of both. I like McCartney and I like the Who. I just like McCartney much better. I'm one who likes Back to the Egg. I don't love it, but it is a CD I'll throw in once in a while and I'll enjoy it that day. I've said this before, but I'm a bit more forgiving of McCartney's weaker stuff because his best stuff is, arguably, better than just about anyone else's best stuff. He has nothing to prove to me so I'll still buy his stuff, enjoy it, and smirk and shake my head at the people who so vehemently chastise him.

Rick, is this what you were wanting?

rictified · Post by **rictified** » Sat Nov 18, 2006 12:03 pm

"jones is the charlie watts of bass players........" Obviously guitar players are discussing bass players. Entwistle was very fast and showy but was more shallow musically. I saw him from 10 ft away one night, he was an amazingly fast bass player who learned some tricks, but JPJ was an accomplished musician who never played a bad note and could play every style of music, every thing he played made musical sense, no bombast in him. He was and is a bass player's bass player. Actually much of what he played bordered on jazz and funk as did Bonzo's. He was Page's equal in every way musically as was Bonzo who was a monstor.
Zep stole some of their lyrics and basic tunes from the Chess stuff but they did not sound like anyone from Chess at all, now The Stones on the other hand sounded, in fact covered half the Chess catologue especially Chuck Berry. Keith Richard is a walking Berry encyclopedia, even produced Chuck's 60th birthday band of which a documentary was made: Hail, Hail rock N roll, and a great one it is especially the 20th anniversary one with the extra footage and interviews.
Kinks are great, should get more recognition IMHO.

congerz83 · Post by **congerz83** » Sat Nov 18, 2006 12:48 pm

Thank you Simer.

Bob, great points about JPJ and the Kinks. They both don't get enough props.

studiotwosession · Post by **studiotwosession** » Sat Nov 18, 2006 2:17 pm

I disagree with Zep. Not only did they rip Whole 'Lotta Love off from Willie Dixon, their version wasn't much differnt than You Need Love. The biggest difference they made was changing the title (thus they lost in court.)

I'm not even a bassist, but I know that Entwhistle changed the game on rock bass playing when Jones was doing studio gigs. He went to extraordinary lengths to get what was then a whole new Rotosound tone onto discs in the mids 60s.

>Entwistle was very fast and showy but was more shallow musically.<

I disagree. He not only was a great player, he was a formidable pop backing vocalist, a double threat where Jones just played. I'll take Dee Murray from the Elton John Band over Jones, too. Another guy who was as good or better a player and an excellent singer as well.

congerz83 · Post by **congerz83** » Sat Nov 18, 2006 2:46 pm

Jones just played!?!?!?! He wrote and composed, not to mention filled with music theory and a brilliant piano player. "In through the Out Door" was mostly all Jones and Plant.

P.S. Great point about Dee Murray. "Funeral for a Friend" fuhggettaboutit!

congerz83 · Post by **congerz83** » Sat Nov 18, 2006 3:00 pm

What about Garry Tallent from the E Street Band.

rictified · Post by **rictified** » Sat Nov 18, 2006 3:54 pm

"I'm not even a bassist" I made my point, haha!

You are right about Whole Lotta Love though I forgot about that one. I do know they ripped off a lot of the old bluesplayers but I'm talking from a non emotional purely musical point of view.
Being a bass player and listening to JPJ and then Ent, there is no contest, JPJ could play rings around Ent and most other bassists of the time accurately and with a groove and not even sound like he was breaking a sweat, that's what separates the men from the boys and makes him a bassplayers' bassplayer, non-bassplayers usually don't realize how good these guys really are, they make the difficult sound easy. James Jamerson epitomizes this type of playing. Most of the more "known" bass players do the opposite, make the mediocre sound difficult.
Dee Murry played some nice melodic stuff but I don't think he was even in the same league as the players we are talking about. He was lucky to have played for a great musician in his prime.

studiotwosession · Post by **studiotwosession** » Sun Nov 19, 2006 4:34 am

Gary T. is good.

I did sell myself short. Although I have never been the "bass player" in a band, I have owned both a 4001 and a Jazz and played more than a bit of bass, though being one is hardly a requirement for knowing the good from the not so good.

Another bassist in this forum, who plays in a Beatles band (The Eggmen) agrees that Dee was one of the best of the 70s. If you ever get a chance to hear Lennon and Elton doing Whatever Gets You Thru the Night live at MSG, you'll hear that Dee took a back seat to no one, and like Entwhistle, he could "sing rings around" JPG, who didn't sing a note (like the other three dudes in Zep.)

When Enthwhistle died Townshend said he was "the Jimmy Hendrix" of bass players and I didn't see one person, even in this age of forums, disagree. So much for JPJ "playing rights around him." Plus he played horns on Tommy (overture) and other tracks. So he was hardly a limited musician.

Did JPJ ever play lines (not to mention get a tone) as memorable as those in My Generation? Hardly.

What's more, he didn't play a Rick.

>>"In through the Out Door<<

Ugh, what a terrible record. ****. I'm glad Jones has the guts to take credit for it. That ****** "All Of My Love" single got me to change stations every time it came on. If it was a great example of all the coke and hookers labels were throwing at DJs in '79, and radio's gone downhill ever since, all 'cause of In Through The Out Door, lol, which should have gone out through the out door and in through the top of the trash can. It is so bad Bonham chose to drink himself into oblivion rather than to go out and promote it. I'd have done the same thing.

trancedental · Post by **trancedental** » Sun Nov 19, 2006 4:39 am

Personally I love the early Who, (1st 3 albums) & have a lot of Beatles stuff so I would not like to choose between them.

As for Led Zep I think they are one of the most overrated groups, ever. It makes me laugh when the histories say that Page wanted a singer like Steve Marriott of the Small Faces, & he ended up with someone Robert Plant, who sounds like a cat being strangled. Not to mention the 1000's of imitators that have ensued since!

Whilst I think Jimmy Page & John Paul Jones were good players, I think the drummer is totally over the top & lacking in grove IMO, Mitch Mitchell (very underated player) & Keith Moon are so much better to my ears at least. Lets face it LZ don't have the single releases or general tunes to compete with The Beatles & The Who & many others either. Even Hendrix always released singles.

I do come from that generation that grew up in England during the 70's New Wave period who were forced to list to a lot of VERY bad rock music by the older kids though before those times! That's why mid '60's Pop Rock sounds great to my ears instead of the over the top self indulgence rock mentioned above.

studiotwosession · Post by **studiotwosession** » Sun Nov 19, 2006 4:44 am

>>As for Led Zep I think they are one of the most overrated groups<<

My only disagreement would be to change "one of" to "the."

As for what they've pretty much been proven to have stolen is "whole lotta love," plus two other tunes.

>>over the top self indulgence<<

I saw this elsewhere described as "gratuitous wankery."

bottom4 · Post by **bottom4** » Sun Nov 19, 2006 5:34 am

I agree with Brain and Bob’s posts from yesterday re. McCartney and Zep – particularly Jones and Bonzo. I’m not a Zep fan by any means, however, the combo of Jones and Bonzo equates to one hell of a tight rhythm section.

Sorry guys you no way can say that Bonzo is over the top and not thing that Moon was. That statement alone discredits anything else you might say!

And I mean no disrespect to Keith - I think he was great!

Cheers!

congerz83 · Post by **congerz83** » Sun Nov 19, 2006 5:49 am

"When the Levee Breaks" dosen't seem to lack any groove to me. Neither does "Moby Dick." With apologies to all. Bonzo was KING!!!

P.S. IMHO

studiotwosession · Post by **studiotwosession** » Sun Nov 19, 2006 5:59 am

>>That statement alone discredits anything else you might say! <<

This doesn't follow logically. It's like saying if you were wrong just once in your life, everything else you've ever said couldn't be right.

trancedental · Post by **trancedental** » Mon Nov 20, 2006 1:19 pm

I did say I prefer Moon who is over the top but gets away with it probably because he was in a group that had more of a pop sensibility about their songs.

Mitch Mitchell is my favourite drummer probably because of the Jazz & Soul & other influences which I like in a drummer but hey I'm just a guitarist so what do I know.

I would say I don't like most Hard Rock & / or Heavy Metal bands anyway & don't like most rock drummers either, I'm not saying the guy is not a good drummer but just I can't hear past the bloody awful singer!

studiotwosession · Post by **studiotwosession** » Mon Nov 20, 2006 3:26 pm

Well said.